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This will be the first year of data collection in that trial so I don't have much info yet. I am not going into it with an pre-conceptions and will give a fair assessment later. I am using a low vigor vine type in white and a mdium to high white also. In reds, they are a medium vigor and a high vigor vine type. I want to see just how these training systems work with those types. I am already seeing trends. Unfortunately I can't give an immediate "this is the way to do it". With the NE SARE trials I did for two years, there was up to 100 percent yield increase with improved quality with one system over the other. Stay tuned.....