Snaflebit was looking at the deal on Vintner' Harvest - One site has some of their outdated Vintner's Harvest wine base at $10.00 for a 96 oz can. I grabbed 2 cans of that and a couple of their Black Currant that is at $25.00 and probably getting close to being out of date. Figure I could even make a 5 gallon batch with 2 cans and have a great deal on that. $20.00 for 5 gallons of wine !!!