Ok well I went to a local Fruit Orchard stand looking to score some apples. Instead of Apples (Various types/prices at from $24.00/bushel to $34.00/bushel (A little less for 2nds) I found Apple Cider at $7.00 a gallon. Frozen, Unfiltered, No preservatives. Only thing done was a flash heat (Not pasturized) Talked to owner and they took their apples to a place that presses and bottles their apples for them. Purchased 3 gallons and put them in my freezer until I'm ready to go. I've bought their Peaches (2nds) before Just saved me a lot of work. The cider is a mix of their various apples including Arkansas Black. Jonathan, Delicious and one other. Anyone in this area, if you are looking... Vanzant Fruit Farms 3705 AR-264, Lowell, AR 72745 Between Springdale and Rogers Arkansas (479) 756-3152 They take their Apples to Murphy Orchard I think. They are just southwest of Springfield MO if anyone is in that area and looking for some apples for wine. Arkansas Black are the latest apple they pick so that's good one for wine - a tart apple.