Wine pump and degasser

[Wade E]

To anyone who has one that will do both(RICH) HEHE, Will either of these pumps work or am I looking for something else?
CPS 1.9 CFM 1/4 HP Single Stage Vacuum Pump A/C Tool AC



2-Stage Rotary Deep Vacuum Pump 29.9"Hg 1/4HP HVAC R134




Thomas Diaphragm Vacuum Pump 12 Volt w/ Gauge Unused

Edited by: wade

 

[grapeman]

Wade that first one is almost like this one from Valley Vintner

http://valleyvintner.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=WE-60-5500&Category_Code=VP


You can also get one fitted and equipped all set up for doing it all. Check them out.


I opted for the aspirator I got because it has a built in pressure regulator, adjustment and liquid trap. Plug and play.Edited by: appleman

 

[Wade E]

I think after the holidays Im gonna get 1 most likely from valley vintners as you have posted, I had an old picture copied to Word and the price was much higher but now they are basically the same and I know it will be better through them as I can order all the stuff. My back almost gave out picking up the 6 gallon batch of Peach Ice wine off the floor from racking it and almost dropped. Its killing me now so think its time to spend some money and save my back for work.

 

[grapeman]

Sounds like a good reason to me Wade. Take care of that back. You only get one- at least for now!

 

[AlFulchino]

nice tool!...for now i use gravity feeds and a small waterfall pump.

 

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[HD93]

Hey Wade , sorry that was outdated, but if you check e-bay for vacuum pumps they usually have them on there.

 

[Wade E]

That item ended in November it says.

 

[HD93]

I checkede-bay and they have they still have them on there.

 

[Waldo]

I could not find them HD93....Could you post the link to them

 

[gaudet]

Harbor Freight has this one for $75(2.5 cfm), and a smaller pump for $15 less(1.2 cfm)

Just to compare images this is the one from Valleyvintner

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=98076

Edited by: gaudet

 

[grapeman]

One thing to remember with all of those pumps is that they are not everything you need for transferring and filtering the wine. They are not direct pumps like a Shurflo type pump, but a vacuum pump. You also need a pressure regulator and liquid trap setup and all the plumbing to fit them together. All the extras can cost more than the original pump. That is the main reason I went the route I did with a NEW vacuum aspirator. It cost about $165 total and had everything combined into one unit with a carrying handle. All I needed was a couple orange carboy caps and racking canes and I was in operation transferring and degassing. I also added a water filter cannister and filters- down to .045 microns.

Here is a link to the topic I started last year for it.
http://www.finevinewines.com//Wiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5119Edited by: appleman

 

[grapeman]

After checking availability of these units this year, I am glad I bought when I did. They are hard to get the model I got and they are up to about $300 or more this year- YIKES!

 

[gaudet]

I think you can get a vacuum gauge for about $15 bucks online then you'd just need a little teflon tape and fittings to attach it. It looks like you can adjust the suction with the knob on the front end. I have access to the suction canisters like the one you have appleman. I can also get medical quality filters, but not sure that they would be very good for removing dead yeast cells they would probably clog up pretty quickly. A good friend of mine sells medical equipment and would sell me an aspirator at his cost (approx $160) brand new in a box.

 

[grapeman]

The little filter shown on the aspirator is merely an air filter for the pump. For real filtering, the canister is a 12 inch see through water filter. You just hook it in between the suction and discharge outlets so that the pump picks up the wine through a racking cane then goes through the tubing into the filter(or two in tandem) and continues on to the second carboy where it drops out. Another option is to replace the second carboy with a bottle filler. The suction hose then continues on the the pump.

 

[PatL]

The model from Valleyvintner has a pressure cut off safety switch. I am happy to be safe. This may come into use while degassing.

This pump is what I needed for degassing. The hand pump was not doing the job.

It also has a valve to control/bypass the vacuum pressure, you will appreciate this while bottling and racking. You could rig this up yourself with parts from home improvement store.

 

[Wade E]

Thats why I wouldnt mind spending a little extra from somewhere that has it all, I dont want to be looking around for this part and that part.

 

[grapeman]

They are very good to work with Wade. Not the cheapest prices, but you could call them, tell them just what you want to do and they will provide you with all the needed parts. If you can't afford them all at once, they can be added to whenever.

 

[Jeff H]

Wade,


Here comes a long post.......


Last August I did what you are thinking about. It's rather straight forward but you have to put some pieces together to make it work. At the bottom of the post will be some pictures. After I dropped a 3 gallon carboy I decided to look for a better way to move my wines. No more heavy lifting during routine rackings is nice. I also had been using a brake bleeder for de-gassing. It seems wine kits really do hold alot of CO2 and I was not happy with the amount of gas still in my wines that I did not bulk age. Since the vacuum pump can move some volume I'm still trying to figure out the best de-gassing routine. I need to do the math regarding pressures and temperatures but it seems a couple of 45 minutes runs while rocking the carboy on a tennis ball after racking is doing the trick.


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I purchased my pump on EBAY in August, here is the info:


Mastercool 3.0 CFM Single Stage High Performance Deep Vacuum Pump, Part No.: ML90062-A: $111.94 (including S&amp;H), Vendor: Mechanix Gear
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Ultimate vacuum: 75 microns


Internal check valve to prevent escape of liquid oil


1/4 horsepower motor


Pump speed: 1720 RPM


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This deep vacuum pump includes T-fitting with 1/4" flare and 1/2" ACME ports Vapor discharge/Oil fill port. other features include: thermally protected motor with on/off rocker switch, high volume cooling fan provides cool air to motor and pump, large oil level sight glass with min-max oil level indicator, large, lightweight reinforced base for stable positioning, cooling fins keep temperature cooler during extended motor operation and an easily accessible oil drain valve. Electrical specs: 110V / 60 Hz.


This vendor has these pump on sale currently for $137.98 (including S&amp;H), here is a link:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=170211562919&amp;viewitem=


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You need a number of things to make this work such as a gauge, valve, fittings etc. The valve and gauge allow you to control the vacuum which is absolutely necessary. The fittings tie it altogether. Here is the cost breakdown:


Gauge: $7.20 (Grainger)


Needle Valve: $6.35 (Grainger)


Fittings: $19.01 (Lowes)


I got a major surprise when I first fired up my pump. The pump oil becomes atomized under vacuum and is discharged out the pump exhaust and into the surrounding air. It's sort of a light smoke; rather annoying, builds quickly and not good for a wine area. I searched for solutions to this problem on another forum and none really worked. I finally purchased some tubing from Home Depot (about $10) and I stick the tubing outside a window when I use the pump which has solved the problem. You need to monitor the oil level and quality when you do this because the oil viscosity is essential for cooling and pulling an adequate vacuum. I have yet to have a problem but after using the pump for the last 4 months I'm going to change it out soon. This might void the warranty putting some exhaust loads on the pump but it is needed.


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Once you get the pump squared away you need some pieces to move your wines. I opted to purchase the racking and bottling kits and a cartridge filter setup from the Valley Vintner. You can probably find the pieces for a little cheaper if you want to search but their prices are reasonable and you get to support another wine vendor. I went ahead and purchased 4 filters from them also. In total this stuff cost me:


Filter Housing &amp; 4 Filters (including S&amp;H): $84.81


Racking &amp; Bottling Kit (including S&amp;H): $72.56


Regardless of what you end up with you need to have some type of overflow container to pull the vacuum into to protect your pump. This is especially true during de-gassing. This has been money well spent because it happens to me almost every time and the flask in the racking kit catches it. The rest of the pieces in the kit work well too. The bottling kit just completes the package.


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So the bottom line....around $155 for the pump, valve, gauge and fittings; another $155 for the racking and filtering stuff for a grand total of around $310.00. I could have done without the filter stuff but I had come this far so I figured it was worth the investment. Overall, I'm very happy with the outcome.

Hope this helps....Jeff


P.S. Watch out for the Harbor Freight Co., I ordered one of their pumps and it was backorder for months and I finally cancelled my order. Isee that the pump I gotincreased in pricetherefore you could get everything from the Valley Vintner and spend about what I did. Before I got my pump the prices at VV where higherthen EBAYso what I did wasa better deal. Regardless you will have to add a gauge and such unless you go for the higher price VV pump with a gauge.Edited by: Jeff H

 

[Wade E]

Thats all together more money then I am willing to part with at this time but thank you very much, I may get some stuff bit by bit though like you did.