i agree with both a/man and wade,but i would like to add because of the lack of bodywhen starting out with a kit or juice product there is nothing to add to give you the body that reds can achieve with the soaking process,so what you have is what you got and you need to handle the product Little more gentlypaying attention to the delicate balance that is let to you to bring out thought your end of the process,over oxygenation can happen fast,no room for error,very hard tocorrect most problems your left with either white alcohol orpoor tasting product,reds are fore giving,in my op pion in all the aspects of wine making...........................they can be made in a lot more styles and boldness,even thought they all start out equal sort of/////////////////////in my oppion/////////////////////////////////////////////////////