Carboy cleaning

[ckvchestnut]

Wow! I'm sold!! Don't like feverishly scrubbing anything!!

 

[GreginND]

It looks like the glass is different. The one on the left is colorless while the one on the right has a blueish tinge.

 

[Julie]

Thanks Dave! Those are some great pics!

 

[Geronimo]

I use a 50-50 blend of Oxyclean (unscented and NO added bleach!) plus TSP substitute (the chemical is the same one used as beer line cleaner). This makes a powerful alkaline solution and cleans almost anything with minimal effort. Rinse thoroughly then sanitize with Star San (acid based). Your equipment will be as close to sterile as you can get without heat treating.


http://www.menards.com/main/paint/c...e-phosphate-free-cleaner/p-1683926-c-8154.htm

 

[vacuumpumpman]

That looks great Dave !
Did you use a carboy cleaner to help with the cleaning of that ?


Geronimo-
I would be careful mixing chemicals together unless you know for sure. I read the MSD sheet and it seems like the TSP has an extremely high odor - it is rated a #2 for safety =
taken from msd -
(Intense or continued exposure could cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury unless prompt medical attention is given.)


Oxiclean is only a #1 rating for safety according to their MSD sheet
http://xserver.lipkekentex.com/kentex-msds/Coin-Op/oxiclean.pdf

Taken from msd
(Exposure could cause irritation but only minor residual injury even if no treatment is given)

 

[Geronimo]

NOT TSP!! TSP substitute

 

[vacuumpumpman]

NOT TSP!! TSP substitute

Thats good - I did not read substitute - so what is the substitute ?

 

[Geronimo]

Aside from the link up there?

http://www.savogran.com/pdfs/TSP_PF_PD.pdf

here's the safety sheet

http://www.savogran.com/pdfs/TSP_PF_MS.pdf

Oxyclean is good, probably as good as anyone needs, but combined with this stuff you can clean almost anything. First you clean at a pH of 11, then drop it to a pH of 3 with Star San. That's as close to chemical sterilization as you can get with an MSD of 1 (safe for home use). You can buy Savogran TSP-PF at Home Depot, Menards, etc. It took me 5+ years to use 8 pounds of the 50-50 mix.

 

[vacuumpumpman]

Aside from the link up there?

http://www.savogran.com/pdfs/TSP_PF_PD.pdf

here's the safety sheet

http://www.savogran.com/pdfs/TSP_PF_MS.pdf

Oxyclean is good, probably as good as anyone needs, but combined with this stuff you can clean almost anything. First you clean at a pH of 11, then drop it to a pH of 3 with Star San. That's as close to chemical sterilization as you can get with an MSD of 1 (safe for home use). You can buy Savogran TSP-PF at Home Depot, Menards, etc. It took me 5+ years to use 8 pounds of the 50-50 mix.

I was referring to your link above
http://www.menards.com/main/paint/c...e-phosphate-free-cleaner/p-1683926-c-8154.htm

I also checked out your new links as well as it has no number rating on it - but I did find this -
Skin:
Prolonged and/or repeated contact may cause irritation and/or dermatitis. Contact with skin causes irritation and positive burns, especially if the skin is wet or moist.

I just want to make sure people know what they are getting themself into prior to possibly getting hurt.

Oxiclean works great - I don't know of the results (chemically speaking ) by mixing them together

 

[Julie]

Actually I don't see the need to mix OxyClean with anything.

 

[Julie]

Steve, the more I think about this, the more I agree with you, the last thing any of us would want is to see someone get hurt by mixing chemicals without knowing much about the chemicals they are mixing. Plus there is no need to mix oxyclean with any other cleaner, that is a waste.

 

[Geronimo]

Oxyclean has the same warning. Avoid exposure to skin.

http://www.melrosechem.com/english/msd_eng/hs0853.pdf

If exposed to skin, wash and rinse well.

You're right Julie. If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. I didn't mean to set off a panic.

 

[vacuumpumpman]

oxiclean is a #1 in msd safety and it reads like this =
If exposed to skin, wash and rinse well.

tsp substitute is a # 2 in the msd safety and it reads like this =
Prolonged and/or repeated contact may cause irritation and/or dermatitis. Contact with skin causes irritation and positive burns, especially if the skin is wet or moist.

one is wash with no irritation or burns and the other refers to irritation,dermatitis and positive burns

A lot of people don't know the the difference and believe everything that they read.

I don't mean to beat on this, I just have a concern that someone would get hurt.

 

[Julie]

Geronimo, you didn't start off a panic and I was glad that you posted how you do your sanitizing. This gave us an opportunity to make sure that members are aware of the dangers of mixing chemicals. And a thank you goes out to vacuumpumpman for recognizing this.

 

[Elmer]

OK, I just picked up a huge box of oxyclean.

So how do you guys use it?

Do you fill the carboy/bucket with 6 gallons of warm water, then 1 scoop and let sit?
or
Do you just fill with 1 gallon warm water and a scoop and swish around?

 

[Julie]

I put a scoop of oxyclean in the carboy, then fill with warm water and let it sit.

 

[bkisel]

I put a scoop of oxyclean in the carboy, then fill with warm water and let it sit.

Julie, you are, if nothing else, consistent. That's the same answer you gave me on page one.

 

[WI_Wino]

OK, I just picked up a huge box of oxyclean.

So how do you guys use it?

Do you fill the carboy/bucket with 6 gallons of warm water, then 1 scoop and let sit?
or
Do you just fill with 1 gallon warm water and a scoop and swish around?

I rarely fill a carboy completely full unless there is obvious gunk or staining. I find a gallon or so w/ a quarter scoop max coupled with a carboy brush is sufficient for me. Too high of a oxycleanater ratio and you'll get a "slime" on the glass that takes a lot of water to rinse off.

 

[iVivid]

You can use bleach to your hearts content; it's cheap and effective and kills dem nasty germs! All you have to do to neutralise bleach is triple rinse, and then do you normal sanitise with NaMeta. (Bleach is a contact sanitiser, whereas metabisulphates it's the gas they produce that does the job). This will turn ANY residual bleach (of which after a triple rinse there should be none) to table salt and leave you with a clean and wonderful environment. 9 years of this; no problems. Tim (Winexpert's Technical Manager) started me on this early in my winemaking, and it's never failed.

 

[GreginND]

And queue the anti bleach comments.