Dean....I partially agree with your statement about wine kits. What you say is very true of the lower priced kits, but not necessarily true with higher end kits were more of the organoleptic qualities of the grape are retained (solids and precursors). This is especially true of the AJ kits, which are simply stabilized free run juice. As I stated on another thread, I tested this with Viogner at 55* and 68*. The average Davis Scores for these were 18s for the 55* and 16s and 17s for the 68*. The judges comments were always the same......the 55* had more nose, more true fruit, and a more delicate finish.