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JohnT

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Just wondering, Has anybody ever come across something that will hold the lid of a VCSS tank in place while you pump it up?
 

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That is what I am currently using, but I was hoping that there would be a better solution. One that works better and complains less!!! :)
And one that doesn't see the comment above :)
 

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Just wondering, Has anybody ever come across something that will hold the lid of a VCSS tank in place while you pump it up?
I am totally confused, you lay the lid on the wine and pump it up. Why would you need to hold it up?
 

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I was wondering the same thing when I read it. I hang the lid loosely above where it will fill to to keep the flies out and pump the wine in until where I want to fill to. I then lower the lid and let it float on top of the wine and pump the seal up. The last one I just did had developed a loose connection to the tube to pump it up. It took a while to get it tight to hold air. No wife needed.
 

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OMG, I am soooo happy that there are no wives on this site reading this! :ft.
 

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If I want to cover it while filling I lay the lid across part of the top and inflate the tube. Then I slide the lid across the top and the tube prevents the lid from falling in but also keep flies out and excess oxygen.
 

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Dan/Grapeman,

When I first started using tanks, the advice I was given was to only use the air locks that came with the tanks (the ones that use a marble to block air flow) during fermentation. I was told that they do not form a tight enough seal for extended aging of wine. This made sense to me.

Instead, I have been using a standard gooseneck fermentation trap with a #10.5 stopper (which fits nicely in the lid).

The problem here is that the #10.5 stopper inserts a just bit lower into the lid (the raised "dimple" in the lid meant to accommodate the marble-trap is not raised high enough for a #10.5 stopper). As a result, if I float the lid, wine will fill my trap. I have tried using a #11 stopper, but they are too big and simply do not fit.

So, to solve this, I have been raising the lid up ever-so slightly. I know what you might be thinking .. "Head space is evil", but my thinking is that the amount of air exposure must be less than a leaky marble trap and (at least) any air coming into the tank will first pass through the k-meta solution in the gooseneck trap. Also, oxidation has never been a problem in all of the years I have been doing this.

This has become an automatic thing that I do and I have not put a further thought into it in all this time! Now you got me definitely second guessing myself (which I find to be a good thing).

So let me ask.. What type of trap do you guys use? Do you use the "marble trap" or is there another setup you guys go with? Have to admit that being able to float the lid would make things much easier!!!
 

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I probably have at least 70 tanks and only use the marble trap. Rich, tip #2; when you have less than half a tank it can be a bear reaching down there to put the lid in place. Again inflate the inner tube and set on top of tank. Now release the air and the lid will slowly fall into the tank, onto your wine without splashing any wine onto the lid (90% of the time).
 

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I probably have at least 70 tanks and only use the marble trap. Rich, tip #2; when you have less than half a tank it can be a bear reaching down there to put the lid in place. Again inflate the inner tube and set on top of tank. Now release the air and the lid will slowly fall into the tank, onto your wine without splashing any wine onto the lid (90% of the time).

What size tanks? Are they big enough where the little bit of air is not a concern? Any 200 liter tanks?
 

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I'm sure you've thought of this, or maybe it just wouldn't work but can't you slice off a bit of the tapered end of the stopper so it doesn't protrude so much?
Mike
 

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John they are from 200 to 4000L with the majority being about 2000L. If you're going to do that, I would at least layer it first with Nitrogen or Argon.

On the other hand if it's just Welches then who cares if it's a bit oxidized.
 

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Thanks for the advice Dan. Let me see what I can do. Perhaps I could convert the marble traps to accept a gooseneck instead?
 

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regular marble traps here also.
 

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Guys,

I am beginning to think that my fear of them has been irrational.

Do you age your wine for extended periods of time using those marble traps? Perhaps 18 months? Not knowing much about that particular trap and not having any experience with them makes me cautious.

When it comes to these traps, is there any advice you guys can offer as far as their maintenance and general use? I kept all of the traps that came with my lids and can very easily reinstall them.



Also, for years now I have been searching for fittings for my 500 liter Marchisio tanks that will allow for the attachment of a hose to the bottom spigot. Do you fellows know where I might get something like that?
 

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John take a picture of the spigot/valve for us so we can try to send you to a source. I could look it up, but they may have changed over time so a picture of yours would be great.
 

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John take a picture of the spigot/valve for us so we can try to send you to a source. I could look it up, but they may have changed over time so a picture of yours would be great.

Here is a front and side view. I included a tape measure for size reference.....

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