The owner of the company I work for has a vineyard. Yes, it was very nice of him. It is hard ( expensive) for a small grape grower to buy just a few vines, if you can buy 50 or more the price really comes down. I couldn't thank him enough, he could tell that I was excited just by the look on my face. I did find the other thread on these and will have to start from the beginning and read it all....Thanks