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AMARONE IS A HIGH ALCOHOL VOLUME BUT IT HAS TO BE TAMED BY BALANCING THE RAISINS A,OAK AND TANNINS IN IT'S MIX.
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Amarone the king of italian reds
ARE YOU FOLLOWING THE FLOW??
LETS RECAP. SO FAR SO GOOD,WHEN MAKING A KIT THERE IS KNOW NEED TO RUSH THOUGHT THE PROCESS ALWAYS MAKE A PLAN THEN WORK IT HAVING ALL THE TOOLS THAT YOU'LL NEED AT THE READY THAT INCLUDES THE UTENSILS AND WELL AS THE MIX INGREDIENTS.
Here is our kit that we received from Winexperts. This kit is a Winexperts Selection Series Amarone. This kit has the following included. (This list is a little different from the usual kit that you receive. This is a top of the line kit.)
The box includes the following:
· Large bag of juice
· Grape skin pack (You can actually see that there are grape skins in it!)
· 2 packs of Lavin RC-212
· 2 Chaptalization Packs (bags of sugar)
· Package #2 (bentonite)
· Package #3 (Metabisulphate)
· Package #4 (Sorbate)
· Package #5 (Chitosan-(Fining Agent)
· Mesh Straining Bag
· 3 Packages of European Hungarian Oak
Just for reference, I’m sure everyone knows by now if they have been following the posts, that you will need certain equipment to make this kit. For the newbies, I’m going to put it below so you know what you need:
· Primary Fermenter (minimum 30 Liters/7.9 US gallons capacity)
· Long stirring spoon (Plastic or stainless steel)
· Measuring cup
· Hydrometer and test jar
· Thermometer
· Wine thief
· Siphon rod and hose
· Carboy (6 US gallon capacity)
· Bung and Air lock
· Solid Bung (if you are bulk aging)
· Unscented winemaking detergent for cleaning (we recommend One step or any other oxygenating cleaner, including Kmet....JUST NOT BLEACH!)
· Metabisulphate Powder for sanitizing
· 30 wine bottles, thirty corks , thirty seals
· Corking machine (there are various types, we use an italian floor corker.)
The Process:
· As always, sanitize anything that comes in contact with the wine. Including yourself. J
· Add half gallon of warm water to the primary fermenting bucket with the bentonite packet and stir until dissolved.
· Add the large juice package. (Be careful, it’s heavy!) Rinse this out with a little bit of spring water to make sure you get it all.
· Next, we added the smaller “grape skin packet”. It’s lumpy so you also want to rinse the bag out w/ water also, to get all the grape skins.
· Now, we take the SG reading. We’re at 1.10.
· Next, we added the smaller “grape skin packet”. It’s lumpy so you also want to rinse the bag out w/ water also, to get all the grape skins.
· Now, here comes all that Hungarian oak! We are adding 3 packets of Hungarian powdered oak (wow!).
· Here comes the fun part. YEAST! 2 packets of RC-212 yeast. Cover with a towel and wait 5-7 days, gently punching down the grape skins.
Secondary Fermentation:
Now that we fermented dry (SG reading is 1.010), now it’s time to rack it.
Notice the grape skins on top? This is the cap that formed from the grape skin packet that was provided in the Wineexpert Amarone Kit, along with the addition of California Raisins (that I added to add more body).
We racked this down to a carboy but it is pretty gassy. I’m going to let this settle out for a few days and degas some on its own. Over the weekend, I will force-gas it (If I have to) by giving it a good old-fashioned stir. Once I feel that it’s de-gassed enough, I will stabilize it with the potassium sorbate packet, K-Met Packet, and packet of Chitosan (clearing agent).
We finished bottling our super-awesome, Winexperts Selection International Amarone Kit. We are quite happy with the results. Our end result is a dark, inky-color, rich, full bodied, wine. It has a spicy-earthy, sour cherry aroma, dried fruit, bitter almond, from the huge volume of tannins.
For a kit wine that started just 2 1/2 months ago, the results are quite impressive. (We started this kit on August 22, 2013. We bottled tonight, 10/24/2013. After doing this kit, we would def. recommend this one for any true Italian red-wine drinker.
We would like to thank Winexperts for giving us the opportunity to present one of their finest wine kits they have available. We would definitely recommend this kit to the novice and experienced winemakers alike as it truly is exceptional.
We are looking forward to our next tutorial now that this one is complete. Please give us feedback and recommendations of what type of wine you would like to learn how to make.
ARE YOU FOLLOWING THE FLOW??
LETS RECAP. SO FAR SO GOOD,WHEN MAKING A KIT THERE IS KNOW NEED TO RUSH THOUGHT THE PROCESS ALWAYS MAKE A PLAN THEN WORK IT HAVING ALL THE TOOLS THAT YOU'LL NEED AT THE READY THAT INCLUDES THE UTENSILS AND WELL AS THE MIX INGREDIENTS.Wineexpert Amarone
*UPDATED*
The box includes the following:
· Large bag of juice
· Grape skin pack (You can actually see that there are grape skins in it!)
· 2 packs of Lavin RC-212
· 2 Chaptalization Packs (bags of sugar)
· Package #2 (bentonite)
· Package #3 (Metabisulphate)
· Package #4 (Sorbate)
· Package #5 (Chitosan-(Fining Agent)
· Mesh Straining Bag
· 3 Packages of European Hungarian Oak
Just for reference, I’m sure everyone knows by now if they have been following the posts, that you will need certain equipment to make this kit. For the newbies, I’m going to put it below so you know what you need:
· Primary Fermenter (minimum 30 Liters/7.9 US gallons capacity)
· Long stirring spoon (Plastic or stainless steel)
· Measuring cup
· Hydrometer and test jar
· Thermometer
· Wine thief
· Siphon rod and hose
· Carboy (6 US gallon capacity)
· Bung and Air lock
· Solid Bung (if you are bulk aging)
· Unscented winemaking detergent for cleaning (we recommend One step or any other oxygenating cleaner, including Kmet....JUST NOT BLEACH!)
· Metabisulphate Powder for sanitizing
· 30 wine bottles, thirty corks , thirty seals
· Corking machine (there are various types, we use an italian floor corker.)
The Process:
· As always, sanitize anything that comes in contact with the wine. Including yourself. J
· Add half gallon of warm water to the primary fermenting bucket with the bentonite packet and stir until dissolved.
· Add the large juice package. (Be careful, it’s heavy!) Rinse this out with a little bit of spring water to make sure you get it all.
· Next, we added the smaller “grape skin packet”. It’s lumpy so you also want to rinse the bag out w/ water also, to get all the grape skins.
· Now, we take the SG reading. We’re at 1.10.
· Next, we added the smaller “grape skin packet”. It’s lumpy so you also want to rinse the bag out w/ water also, to get all the grape skins.
· Now, here comes all that Hungarian oak! We are adding 3 packets of Hungarian powdered oak (wow!).
· Here comes the fun part. YEAST! 2 packets of RC-212 yeast. Cover with a towel and wait 5-7 days, gently punching down the grape skins.
Secondary Fermentation:
Now that we fermented dry (SG reading is 1.010), now it’s time to rack it.
Notice the grape skins on top? This is the cap that formed from the grape skin packet that was provided in the Wineexpert Amarone Kit, along with the addition of California Raisins (that I added to add more body).
We racked this down to a carboy but it is pretty gassy. I’m going to let this settle out for a few days and degas some on its own. Over the weekend, I will force-gas it (If I have to) by giving it a good old-fashioned stir. Once I feel that it’s de-gassed enough, I will stabilize it with the potassium sorbate packet, K-Met Packet, and packet of Chitosan (clearing agent).
UPDATE:
For a kit wine that started just 2 1/2 months ago, the results are quite impressive. (We started this kit on August 22, 2013. We bottled tonight, 10/24/2013. After doing this kit, we would def. recommend this one for any true Italian red-wine drinker.
We would like to thank Winexperts for giving us the opportunity to present one of their finest wine kits they have available. We would definitely recommend this kit to the novice and experienced winemakers alike as it truly is exceptional.
We are looking forward to our next tutorial now that this one is complete. Please give us feedback and recommendations of what type of wine you would like to learn how to make.
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1 gallon wine kits
Just when I thought I ‘ve seen it all and read about all the one gallon trials and errors out there in wine land the manufactures listen WHAT IF to the “PEOPLE”..AND CAME OUT WITH 1 GALLON WINE KITS FOR THOSE WHO WANTED TO TRY BUT DIDN’T KNOW IF IT WAS FOR THEM ,OR FOR A FRIEND WHO LIKED YOUR WINE BUT WASN’T SURE IF IT WAS FOR HIM OR HER.OR FOR THATSPECIAL HOLIDAY,THIS might be known to some but I thought what a novel idea ,so as an experimental kind of guy, I just had to get one and see if the manufactures. SPOT ON. For the last 15years in this hobby I ‘seen the advent of grape fpac, raisins, tannins and all kinds of flavor enhancers being applied and for some very nice results and some NOT so well. I have seen many people making 1 gallon batches of this or that and being NOT of that mindset correcting a batch that small wasn’t worth my time or cost. But know I’m going to try one of these to see if they make sense ,so follow the program to its conclusion and as always{ think outside the box}.
OUR TWEAKS: SMALL AMOUNT OF GRAPEFRUIT ZEST IN THE PRIMARY [1/2 OF ONE]
SG. AT 1.10 AND THAT’S IT.
THIS SHOULD BE A 4 WEEK KIT AND DONE.
I JUST RECEIVED ONE OF THESE KITS FROM A FELLOW WINE MAKER AND FRIEND BY THE HANDLE OF CORINTH, FROM CALIFORNIA; IT’S A 1 GALLON MERLOT KIT THE TWEAKS, TANNINS AND GOOD ABV.NOTHING MUCH MORE THEN THAT I WANT TO KEEP THIS AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE, THEN I’LL SHIP HIM A BOTTLE TO SAY THANK YOU .IT IS AMAZING TO ME HOW WINE MAKING CAN CREATE FELLOWSHIPS AROUND THE BLOCK AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
ADDED 1/3 CUP RAISINS, THE OAK SUPPLIED CAME IN A GROUNDED FORM 3.4GR AND ALMOST POWDER 6GR, VERY COOL
THANKS AGAIN...CORINTH
FOLLOW THE FLOW THESE CAN ALSO BE USED AS A ADDED BLEND REMEMBER THAT.
Just when I thought I ‘ve seen it all and read about all the one gallon trials and errors out there in wine land the manufactures listen WHAT IF to the “PEOPLE”..AND CAME OUT WITH 1 GALLON WINE KITS FOR THOSE WHO WANTED TO TRY BUT DIDN’T KNOW IF IT WAS FOR THEM ,OR FOR A FRIEND WHO LIKED YOUR WINE BUT WASN’T SURE IF IT WAS FOR HIM OR HER.OR FOR THATSPECIAL HOLIDAY,THIS might be known to some but I thought what a novel idea ,so as an experimental kind of guy, I just had to get one and see if the manufactures. SPOT ON. For the last 15years in this hobby I ‘seen the advent of grape fpac, raisins, tannins and all kinds of flavor enhancers being applied and for some very nice results and some NOT so well. I have seen many people making 1 gallon batches of this or that and being NOT of that mindset correcting a batch that small wasn’t worth my time or cost. But know I’m going to try one of these to see if they make sense ,so follow the program to its conclusion and as always{ think outside the box}.
OUR TWEAKS: SMALL AMOUNT OF GRAPEFRUIT ZEST IN THE PRIMARY [1/2 OF ONE]
SG. AT 1.10 AND THAT’S IT.
THIS SHOULD BE A 4 WEEK KIT AND DONE.
I JUST RECEIVED ONE OF THESE KITS FROM A FELLOW WINE MAKER AND FRIEND BY THE HANDLE OF CORINTH, FROM CALIFORNIA; IT’S A 1 GALLON MERLOT KIT THE TWEAKS, TANNINS AND GOOD ABV.NOTHING MUCH MORE THEN THAT I WANT TO KEEP THIS AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE, THEN I’LL SHIP HIM A BOTTLE TO SAY THANK YOU .IT IS AMAZING TO ME HOW WINE MAKING CAN CREATE FELLOWSHIPS AROUND THE BLOCK AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
ADDED 1/3 CUP RAISINS, THE OAK SUPPLIED CAME IN A GROUNDED FORM 3.4GR AND ALMOST POWDER 6GR, VERY COOL
THANKS AGAIN...CORINTH
FOLLOW THE FLOW THESE CAN ALSO BE USED AS A ADDED BLEND REMEMBER THAT.
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Vintners Cabernet with Blueberries
Interesting how creating a wine partnership in flavors can even make a moderately prices kit even better follow the flow on this one and see how the blueberries added a great taste treat to this cabs profile ,follow the flow.
Interesting how creating a wine partnership in flavors can even make a moderately prices kit even better follow the flow on this one and see how the blueberries added a great taste treat to this cabs profile ,follow the flow.
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Blue berry cabernay
these vintner kits are great for playing around and experimenting with not onlt that you can make a decent bottle of wine at a not so bad a price if you learn to think outside the box.
CORINTH,THE WINE IS ABOUT 4 WEEKS OUT..
these vintner kits are great for playing around and experimenting with not onlt that you can make a decent bottle of wine at a not so bad a price if you learn to think outside the box.
CORINTH,THE WINE IS ABOUT 4 WEEKS OUT..
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1gallon wine kits continued
take a look at these little beauties, remember what I said great as a starter kit for someone but think outside the box I now have one gallon of merlot and pino grigio to blend into something else.
take a look at these little beauties, remember what I said great as a starter kit for someone but think outside the box I now have one gallon of merlot and pino grigio to blend into something else.
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