- Dec 30, 2019
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- Norrthern Illinois
It's a potting soil that contains, composted manure, peat humus, and perlite.Hard to say, could be nitrogen or phosphorus deficiency, or just damaged by something.
Probably just need to keep an eye on them for now rather than try and correct.
What's the growing medium??
Nothing so far. If I do spot anything, I may spray them with Neem oil. Put them under a grow light, the 1st. of January. Only because all the other dormant plants purchased from Stark Bros. died. Since, I have purchased plants from Double A.Vineyards. These two plants have grown just over 4'. Soon they will out grown my basement ceiling height.Hmph, I was thinking it looked like a riparia, lol.
No further leaf degradation?
Would you post a picture of your grow chamber ? ThanksGood to know about the stark bros plants. I been gambling with private parties but with good luck so far.
Only one that kinda stumbled out of the gate was a dwarf Riesling but it was my fault. It sAt in the packaging for a couple extra days then I put it in my normal grow chamber. I noticed it did poorly and after some reading discovered it is a cool loving grape. So it sat in the cooler chamber for nearly a month with 1 leaf.
Turns out it was in transplant recovery mode putting down roots like crazy then when it was satisfied started to produce explosive, bushy growth up top.
Only other one I rcd that was seriously questionable was a set of vines from Portugal. They looked like 3 mummies in a bag. Lol. Apparently when dormant they can survive being dried out a little.
Took a couple vine cuttings and began my treatments. All the cuttings have foliage and one of the 3 is very close to bud burst. Buds are green and white.
Other 2 following close behind with light brown fuzzy buds starting to swell.
I am still in shock they are doing so well! Lol
Anyway moral of the story if they look suspicious ALWAYS take cuttings even if it's just a 2 node.
And revive immediately bc there are too many unknowns. How long has it been sitting, what did it get exposed to between origin and destination? Mainly in reference to temp swings bc if it's enough temp swing for the right duration the vine will start to awaken but still look asleep then if you try to put it back into dormancy will most likely end it.
As to your plight of vines getting too big too soon if there is such a thing. I say take some green cuttings for one to have jic the mother meets trade tragedy and 2 to multiply your interest.
If you end up with too many, well great time to attempt to trade or sell! In my opinion.
On a whim I took some cuttings from a friends vines. Let then soak in water for several days, then put them in potting soil. They have been in there now for about 45 days, and nothing seems to be happening. They are still alive thought. I checked and the cambium is still green. There may still be hope? I should set up a chamber something like yours. What are you using for a fogger. do you run it 24/7, and by a flame, do you mean a heat source ? Would you mind giving me a little more instructions ? They look like there doing great, and it looks for sure you know what your doing.Ps it works great for dormant cuttings but kinda so so for green cuttings.
I am close to 100% on strike rates now just need to get that rate to apply to green cuttings and I'll be set!
For the propagation setup there is a step process. There is a smaller pot in front that temp wise is cooler but is right next to the fog duct. There lies the newly introduced cuttings.....once they produce foliage they get moved to the bigger lot which is hotter to induce callousing and roots.
From there gets moved sideways to further develop roots and eventually down to the cooler setup which is all blues for vegetative growth and cooler temps although some plants can go straight to the lower level after rooting if they are a cooler loving variety such as Riesling.
On mine, the 101-14 took about 3weeks for bud break, Brianna only 2 weeks, but the shiraz took much much longer. These were just cuttings stuck in potting soil, nothing fancy...View attachment 58833
On a whim I took some cuttings from a friends vines. Let then soak in water for several days, then put them in potting soil. They have been in there now for about 45 days, and nothing seems to be happening. They are still alive thought. I checked and the cambium is still green. There may still be hope? I should set up a chamber something like yours. What are you using for a fogger. do you run it 24/7, and by a flame, do you mean a heat source ? Would you mind giving me a little more instructions ? They look like there doing great, and it looks for sure you know what your doing.
These are Frontenac Gris. First I soaked them for a few days, then put them into potting soil. I have a grow light over them. I thought maybe they were dead, the tops are dried out. I pulled one out of the soil and, scraped it with my pocket knife. I was surprised to find it was still green. What temp. did you keep your at?On mine, the 101-14 took about 3weeks for bud break, Brianna only 2 weeks, but the shiraz took much much longer. These were just cuttings stuck in potting soil, nothing fancy...
Thinking that it's a variety thing with vines that have either late or early bud break??
These are Frontenac Gris. First I soaked them for a few days, then put them into potting soil. I have a grow light over them. I thought maybe they were dead, the tops are dried out. I pulled one out of the soil and, scraped it with my pocket knife. I was surprised to find it was still green. What temp. did you keep your at?
Thank You, Your reply is very helpful.Ps more specific advice if you plan to bag or simply try to get the cuttings to perform. 45 days is ahem pushing it.
If they are 3 node cuttings
identify the best bud on the stick. If it's a middle, cut the top off, a top, cut the bottom off so you have a 2 node and a 1 node cutting. Keep the 1 node; miracles happen all the time in the plant world! Now you are recouping by 2 ways: one focusing your efforts on the best bud(cut off the other bud on the 2 node stick) which is most likely where the remaining fluids have colonized aka the plant itself makes choices too! And 2 you are doubling your active cuttings aka playing up the numbers!
Cut a small sliver off your bottom most and top most cuttings(whichever one has been in the dirt) to assess its health done by observing color and non-pith to pith tissue. Also you want to reopen the wounds.
Re-soak for half a day. Hopefully the new wounds will allow even a small amount of fluids in.
Gently dry off a small area of bark around all of your wounds and apply a small dab of grafting wax if you have it candle wax of you do not as to seal the new wounds to keep fluids inside. Also applicable for long term storage but generally not necessary for general rooting.
put "new" cuttings into a setup revision of your own devising. If they fail do not fret they were just cuttings and you did not really kill anything.
Bring your friend some sort of good will gesture(bottle of wine or whatever) and ply for more cuttings. Aka no one likes a worrisome beggar; you can get the first one for free but after that best to use the unspoken system in order to keep the good will.....good!
Exception being if you made any sort of promise ahead of time in exchange for the cuttings but even then the gesture can't hurt!
Hope this specifically helps!
P.s. Those green cutting look rough. I would wager that part of the bottoms are dead. I'm not a green cutting expert yet and maybe someone else more skilled with rooting them can chime in.
Does green wood imbibe water?
Based off what I see, pull and cut off anything discolored, dip in hormone and maybe employ a dome of some sort(top cut off a water bottle maybe?) with a few holes in it to circulate air. The green wood is way more sensitive since it has no bark to protect it; it transpires fluid much faster!
Not all bad, green wood is generally more vigorous and you don't have to worry about budding or foliage so a trade off really.
Some grape varieties have a drooping tip but generally speaking any type of drooping, green vegetation is indicative that it is dehydrating and wilting. Aka not enough fluid to inflate the stalk enough to hold its shape. With grapes and most plants in general their goal is to get to the sun so generally the tips will be as tall and straight as possible only exception being the top bud which may be covered by a leaf to protect it from sunburn.
Edit: as why it craves the sun....sunlight itself is the result of the release of energy from thermal fusion and all life needs energy! I'm not a scientist but if I had to guess I would say the plant uses the sunlight in order create some sort of chemical to break down the nutrients it has collected in its roots(kinda like a chemical fission) the result of which is the energy it uses to live. I could have it backwards and it uses the light to fuse the nutrients it has collected......base point being the nutrients are useless without the catalyst(be it a bonding catalyst or a breaking catalyst but if I had to guess I'd say the catalyst is water or more importantly it's hydrogen content plus whatever the hell it has photo synthesized from the sun!)