After 3 years of aging my WE Eclipse Cab Sav and RJS En Primeur cab sav I can finally make a judgment. Great hobby, a lot of fun but major disappointment at he end. Both, as well as a half of dozen of other Eclipse/EnPrimeur high end Shiraz, Merlot, Pilot Noir... are lacking aroma and flavor of commercial $10+ wines. Even Robert Mondavi Woodbridge Cab Sav is more enjoyable to drink. I barrel aged one EnPrimeur without sorbate. It came out acceptble. Whites are good actually. Fermented and aged wines in in a favorable environment and monitored throughout aging. I do consider my self a beer (brewing beer for the last 5 years) and wine connoisseur and have rather high expectations. I've tried kit wines made by others and my opinion was equally dissapoppointing. If you know anything about wines keep your expectations low. If you already make your kit wines, don't promote them connoiseurs. Lets not fool ourselves. Kit wines will never equal quality commercial wines.