I made several WE Eclipse kits about 2-2.5 years ago: Cabernet Merlot Bravado Zinfandel Chardonnay I never used the sorbate but followed the instructions pretty close otherwise. The one exception is that all were bulk aged between 6-12 months before bottling. In addition, all have been aging in a cellar that is set at 60F year round. Given that I made high end kits and ensured optimal aging conditions I was hoping to have some really solid wine after 2 years but to be honest many of the kits are just ok in my opinion. No significant off flavors or anything, just a bit fruity and maybe even a bit thin. I’d say that the Merlot and Bravado are better than the others but still not quite what I was hoping for. Will another year or 2 make a difference or is what I have now pretty much what I’m going to get? Anyone else feel the same about their high end kits at this mark? Recently I’ve made a few en Primere kits to see if it’s just WE but only time will tell if I like those any better.