try and try agian.Most people start with kit wines and then go to juice and then go to grapes.I will not get into a round of kit vers grape and juice.All i know is that i have been making wine from grapes for many years with my family.Like Wade says grapes are hit and miss, yes until you learn how to work with them and only will you know until you Get into grape wine making,and get a grip on it. That is when you get control and start making good wine you will never go back to the basics,like kits agian. Sorry hopefully this doesnt stir to many feathers.I can always taste the kt or the juice buckets very time.That candy flavor never goes away.