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Motomike

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I am getting ready to bottle my WE Pinot Noir. I sampled it last night and it tastes great, not a lot of complexity but I am satisfied with the overall quality. My problem is that I detected a bit of "effervesence" on my toungue. Is this a result of not properly de-gassing? The wine is very clear but I did de-gas manually after adding my clarifiers. I left the glass out for about 15 minutes and the effervesence did seem to clear up. Any suggestions before I bottle? I have bulk aged only 4 weeks but I want to give bottles for Christmas. Any thoughts on my dilemma.
 
It needs to be degassed again before bottling. Racking into another carboy will help some but you need to stir well if doing this by hand. Degassing your wine at a temp of >68 will help since the warmer a liquid the less gas it can hold.


Hereare the instructions straight from Tim Vandergrift of Winexpert on degassing:



"Just a quick redux of the stirring issue for my (Winexpert) kits:


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<LI>If you've fermented at the right starting volume, the right temperature, and you've achieved the recommended specific gravity levels, then you'll be able to stir the wine to de-gas within the time-frames specified in the instructions.

<LI>If the wine was started at anything other than the full 6 US-gallons (23 litres) or it was fermented cooler than 68 F, or if your gravity readings were not at or below the recommended levels when you did the process, you will not experience consistent success.
<LI>You only need to stir a Winexpert kit four times.

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<LI>On day one, you have to beat the snot out of the must to mix it properly. A good, arm-cracking one minute stir to froth it up and mix the juice and water will get you off to a good start and a thorough fermentation
<LI>On fining/stabilising day, after you've double-checked the SG, then you can first stir the kit without adding anything--and without racking it off the sediment! (Unless it's a Crushendo kit, but that's covered in the instructions--no racking for any other kit. If you choose to rack it, you will not experience consistent results. This first stirring will be to greatly de-gas the wine, prior to adding any of the fining agents or stablisers. Beat the hell out of it, for one full minute. Use a watch or clock--one minute is a lot longer than most people think. If you can scractch your head with your stirring hand after that one minute, you haven't stirred hard enough. It should be an all-out blizzard of effort that costs you all of your strength, and you should see spots in front of your eyes (see why I tell people to buy a drill-mounted stirring whip?)
<LI>Add the sorbate and the sulphite, and stir again, for one full minute. This time you may break one or two small bones in your stirring arm, but don't slow down--if anything, stir harder.

<LI>Add the fining agent and the F-Pack (if the kit has one) and stir for one more full minute. Have the paramedics standing by with a bag of ice to carry your stirring arm to the hospital where it can be re-attached. Top up with water and call it a day.
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Now, if you have fizzy wine after this regimen, you don't have a stirring issue. You have eiither got an incomplete or ongoing fermentation, or you're mistaking foam for fizz, or you may have an inicipient lactic acid bacterial infection that is making a bit of CO2 in the wine.

The amount of stirring described will reduce SO2 slightly in the kit: however, the amount it is reduced by is minimal, because rather than uptaking oxygen during this process, the wine out-gasses CO2, which actually scrubs some of the oxygen out of the wine.

If you stir at a time when the wine is not saturated with CO2, you may experience reduced SO2 and potentially expose the wine to oxidation. But then, why are you stirring wine if it's not fizzy?

Hope this helps out
Tim Vandergrift
Technical Services Manager, Winexpert Limited."
Edited by: masta
 
masta said:
It needs to be degassed again before bottling. Racking
into another carboy will help some but you need to stir well if doing
this by hand.



Masta,

Will this degass by itself if left for several months of bulk ageing? I
have an MM kit which showed gas after it was racked from the clearing
stage. Thought time might do it.....
 
Over time it will slowly but it could take at least 6 months depending on temperature.
 
Try using a Vacu-Vin (wine saver) on the carboy. I have had good results placing the stopper over the bung and pumping it until it foams up, letting it settle and repeating. You will probably need to let it clarify for a few days afterward because this can release gas from the sediment and cause the wine to turn over.
 
I use a mityvac which is a tool designed for bleeding brakes and has a dial indicator which tells you how much vacuum it is holding and takes the guessing out of degassing. Once it holds about 20" of vacuum you are done. It costs about $30-$50 through harborfreight.com or can be bought from your local auto parts store. All attachments are included.
 
Thanks for your help. My arm was still intact after stirring so I am assuming that I didn't work hard enough. Although the directions said stir for 2 minutes I still stirred the crap out of the wine for 5 minutes, I guess just not enough. I have bought a drill attatchment stirrer and will use that on my Cab that I started last week
 
A drill mounted stirrer is priceless when it comes to making wine from kits especially concentrates since it really helps when making up the kit in addition to degassing with ease.
 
Different brand but same product. I use a multifit bung on carboy with that little suction cup attachment right near the red hose in the picture, it works better for keeping vacuum than the fitting that actually fits into the the bung hole where you would stick the airlock in.
 

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