I've made a few of the paklab kits with fairly good results.. The only thing I don't understand is why they make these 23L must kits.. I feel bad for the UPS guys that have to deliver these! The only difference I can see between the smaller kits and the 23L is that it costs more for you to let them dilute it.. I have been perfectly happy with the small kits I have done, and am glad I never pulled the trigger on the 23L must kits..BTW, you do know that these are not all juice, right?