Wade, I too like the creative zen. I got my son the vision M series, and the other the vision W series with30 gig each. They are really nice and do everything, radio, music pictures Full length movies, I love it. My wife got me an ipod for christmas this year, she must have seen something in my expression because when I came home tonight she had it all boxed up and said that she was sending it back and getting me one like the boys have. Zen Rocks, they are easy to use and because they are made by Creative, you know the sound is awesome. Edited by: jobe05