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Ok guys I have 4 wines that have been bulk aging for 12 months now, time to get them bottled inorder to make room for more :), my question is... they have pretty much cleared on there own, and i can run them thru the vino filter, so i don't see a point to the clearing agents, but what about the sorbate, i know I need to add the sulfite, but not sure if i need to still add the potassium sorbate. thanks for your help.
 
I believe the primary purpose of sorbate is to prevent refermentation after it is bottled. I don't think you need add sorbate If the wine was fermented to dryness and you are not going to back sweeten.
 
yeah Im sorry i should have been specific on the wines, they are dry reds, one will actually get a sweetner, as it needs a little something.
 
Add 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of sorbate to wine to be sweetened. I believe all wines fermented dry should be sweetened to bring out the flavor. Even my reds really boost with flavor at .994-.998

No need for sorbate if not sweetening presuming all sugar and yeast are gone. You should add a little sulfite.
 
what do you sweeten with to bring out the natural flavors of the grapes? I dont like sweet wine myself but am always up for improving the quality of dry natural red wines and whites for that matter?
 
You can wait for djrockinsteve's answer, but I believe he will tell you simple syrup. 1 part water/2 parts sugar simmer until fully melted. Some people use conditioner but some say it leaves a medicinal after taste. I use simple syrup myself.
 
After my wines are fully aged and clear, usually a year, I rack to another carboy. Add a pinch of sulfite and put some wine in a pan and in a beaker w/hydrometer. I'll add @4 ounces of sugar to pan (I weigh mine) and barely warm for @7-8 minutes. This converts the sucrose to fructose and glucose.

Do not boil or simmer. It will barely be warm. If you watch carefully you will see the change.

Now add a spoonful or two of this sugar wine to your beaker. Get a reading after stirring a bit. Example it reads .995 Take a taste. Is it still too dry? Too sweet? Etc.

Repeat adding more or less to the beaker to zero in on what you like. Once you find the gravity that tastes great write it down. Ex. .998

Add all the wine together. Take a reading. Now calculate how much sugar is needed to get to .998 or whatever gravity you want. Start off on the low side as you can't go backwards.

Once you reach .990 gravity as they do go lower but hydrometers don't show that you need 4 ounces of sugar by weight not volume per gallon to raise gravity .010

Ex. To go from .995 to 1.005 and you have 5 gallons you need 20 ounces by weight of sugar inverted. I would still add 15 and then take another reading.

Then invert the needed sugar in some wine, blend, add sorbate, sulfite if needed and let it rest a few weeks to insure there is no refermentation.
 
Thanks for correcting me djrockinsteve. That is some great detailed information.

I do have a question about melting the sugar. If you barely warm the sugar and then add it to your wine will the sugar further breakdown making your wine sweeter than you want? In other words will it raise your SG level? I am just wondering because I don't understand the process of breaking sugar down. I might be confused as well because when I add simple syrup to my must to raise the SG I am told to fully break the sugars down so the yeast don't struggle.
 
If you barely warm the sugar and then add it to your wine will the sugar further breakdown making your wine sweeter than you want? In other words will it raise your SG level?

By "inverting" sugar, you break down the structure to a simpler product. In the beginning it will be easier for yeast to consume. (Think of it as cutting up your steak as opposed to eating it as a whole).

When you 1st add the sugar to the pan you have wine and a pile of white sugar in the pan. Stir and you now have granulated sugar suspended in the wine as it warms.

After a few minutes you will begin to see white streaks like a comet as the wine swirls around your pan. Stir frequently. Some granules will still reside in the center on the bottom of your pan.

When all of the sugar is disolved from the bottom you may see granules clinging to the side of your pan. You barely have a flame on the pan and the wine is just now reaching room temperature.

Now all the white streaks have disappeared but if you look closely and look across a "sheen: of the wine you will see some air bubbles and sugar residue in the wine. Almost done.

While stirring if you let it slow you will see a difference between the center of the pan and the outside of the wine. When this difference in texture/color are gone turn off the heat and remove from the burner. The pan will be warm.

Let it go a few more minutes. It takes sugar 7 minutes at least to convert (break down). It is this time I do other things to my wine, ph readings, acid tests, finish racking, etc.

When you no longer see white streaks and there is no crusty edge your sugar is inverted and fully disolved. Add it to your wine and blend. Take a sample and get a gravity test.

You are correct if you do not fully invert the sugar and it finishes disolving overnight then yes your wine will be too sweet.

I have never had this problem. Get in some good lighting and do a small batch in water as a test. You will see what I mean as each stage is completed. Even if it is not completely finished it will as it rests a few more minutes.

All in all you can do this in less than 10 minutes. Be sure to write down how much sugar you add at each addition for your records.

Keep in mind wines with a greater % of acid will require more sugar to have the same taste of those with a lesser %. Think of it as iced tea, one with and one without lemon.

From the wikipedia def. of inverted sugar

"Inverted or invert[1] sugar syrup is a mixture of glucose and fructose; it is obtained by splitting sucrose into these two components. Compared with its precursor, sucrose, inverted sugar is sweeter and its products tend to remain more moist and are less prone to crystallisation. Inverted sugar is therefore valued by bakers, who refer to the syrup as trimoline or invert syrup.[2]
In technical terms, sucrose is a disaccharide, which means that it is a molecule derived from two simple sugars (monosaccharides). In the case of sucrose, these monosaccharide building blocks are fructose and glucose. The splitting of sucrose is a hydrolysis reaction. The hydrolysis can be induced simply by heating an aqueous solution of sucrose, but more commonly, catalysts are added to accelerate the conversion. The biological catalysts that are added are called sucrases (in animals) and invertases (in plants). Sucrases and invertases are types of glycoside hydrolase enzymes. Acid, such as occurs in lemon juice or cream of tartar, also accelerates the conversion of sucrose to invert."QUOTE
 
Thank you very much. That was a great and just the understanding I needed. I try to always go by the directions but I am the type that needs to understand why.
 

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