I just brought a bottle of Australian Cab Sav by vineco to a family dinner....it's the traditional vintage kit so their mid tier kit without skins. I used additional American oak cubes and additional tannin as I do with all my wine now...even with the kits with skins. When I served the wine, my dad wasn't paying attention and he just grabbed the first bottle which happend to be my wine bottle. Typically He will grab the commercial bottle over my wine as in his mind he believes if you pay alot for a bottle it should be good and it's scalable to what you spens. At any rate he said "hey that malbac is pretty good" (I had the old wine label on) and he liked it. Once I said that was the one I made, he said "well not bad for fruit juice I mean". He likes to joke about the wine I make.... In either case point is these kits make some decent bottles, my parents are experienced wine drinkers that drink some expensive stuff and even they like it and obviously didn't even know it was homemade. I think when we make our wines we are very critical, or perhaps have it engrained in our minds how the wine tasted when fermenting or very young. I think we need to appreciate these kits for what they are and the fact that we are making wines from around the world at very cheap prices.