Degas or stabilizer first?

[jmales]

Do i need to degas by stirring it first... or do I put the stabilizer in first??? Thanks

 

[Runningwolf]

Stabilize first.

 

[jmales]

So I just went over the instructions again and I don't see a stabilizer. The instructions say to degas and then add the flokul and kiesosol and then the chitosan... any thoughts. thanks

 

[Rocky]

Not sure what you are making there, but if "flokul" hapens to be a combination of Potassium Metabisulfite and Potassium Sorbate, you are right on track. The postassium compounds are the stabilizers.

 

[Flem]

I stabilize first and then, degas.

 

[jmales]

Not sure what you are making there, but if "flokul" hapens to be a combination of Potassium Metabisulfite and Potassium Sorbate, you are right on track. The postassium compounds are the stabilizers.

I have a package of Metabisulphite and a pack for flokul and one with keisosol. I also have a sorbate which the instructions suggest I add at the very end of the process. I started the process of degassing by stirring (it takes forever) and this is what brought on the question... does adding a stabilizer at this stage make the degassing easier??? thanks

 

[jmales]

oh. I meant to mention.. it is a cab/sauv kit

 

[Runningwolf]

Honestly I said stabilize first as that is the norm. If you started by partially degassing first I think you'll be ok. Another reason to stabilize first is so your wine is protected against oxidation.

 

[cpfan]

oh. I meant to mention.. it is a cab/sauv kit

Knowing which of the 1000 Cab Sauv kits might help, especially as you are using a term (flokul) not normally used in the kits discussed here.

BTW, I googled "flokul wine" and it is probably bentonite, which is a clearing agent normally added before the yeast in the kits that I'm familiar with.

Normally stabilization is the addition of potassium metabisulphite (aka K-meta) and potassium sorbate. Although some kits use the term stabilizer for the sorbate. It sounds like your kit, separates these two additives.

Personally my order is K-meta, degas, sorbate (if required), more degassing probably, and then the clearing agents.

About 8-10 years ago, some Spagnols kits had you adding the bentonite post fermentation. I don't recall the exact order, but I do recall that the bentonite required lots of stirring, so I guess I was degassing after adding the bentonite. Sorry I don't recall where the bentonite fit with the K-meta

Steve

 

[g8keeper]

Knowing which of the 1000 Cab Sauv kits might help, especially as you are using a term (flokul) not normally used in the kits discussed here.

BTW, I googled "flokul wine" and it is probably bentonite, which is a clearing agent normally added before the yeast in the kits that I'm familiar with.

Normally stabilization is the addition of potassium metabisulphite (aka K-meta) and potassium sorbate. Although some kits use the term stabilizer for the sorbate. It sounds like your kit, separates these two additives.

Personally my order is K-meta, degas, sorbate (if required), more degassing probably, and then the clearing agents.

About 8-10 years ago, some Spagnols kits had you adding the bentonite post fermentation. I don't recall the exact order, but I do recall that the bentonite required lots of stirring, so I guess I was degassing after adding the bentonite. Sorry I don't recall where the bentonite fit with the K-meta

Steve

I agree with what cpfan said.....add the k meta first.....stir really well, then add the sorbate, and stir really well again.....and that stirring action, especially if using the drill stirrer, aids in the degassing process as well....

 

[BernardSmith]

"flokul" sounds like some trade name for a flocculating product which like bentonite would make suspended particles in a colloidal solution drop out of suspension and so help clear the wine...