Basic degassing question

[BigDaveK]

Been doing the degassing for the last couple of weeks on various fruit wines. I try to be vary careful, of course, and not go crazy. I noticed that sometimes the "foam" dissipates within seconds and sometimes it can linger for quite some time. Why? Multiple gasses? More CO2 making a "hardier" foam? I'm curious!

 

[cmason1957]

I blame it on phase of the moon. Or which side of my mouth I am holding the chew on. (In other words, I got no clue what causes it, but it's there).

(The chew comment comes from working in the oil industry in Oklahoma in the early 80's seemed like almost all of the non-engineer folks used Skoal or some such type of what I called worm dirt and whenever anything didn't seem to be working quite as expected, the reason was they were holding the chew in the wrong side of their mouth. Nasty habit that I never picked up)

 

[winemaker81]

I think the longer lasting foam indicates you have more CO2 in the wine, and it's expelling.

 

[Scooter68]

What method of degassing are you doing - Whip on a drill?

 

[BigDaveK]

What method of degassing are you doing - Whip on a drill?

At the very beginning (2 months ago?) I tried my stirring paddle on a drill. Just once. I have beefy drills and it was too easy to lose control. I made a whip with a poly supply line and weed wacker line. Works great! Easier to control, no vortex.

 

[BigDaveK]

I think the longer lasting foam indicates you have more CO2 in the wine, and it's expelling.

I think so, too. This is one of those cases where it's probably insignificant but unfortunately I noticed and it bugged me. My mom's side had all the crazies.

 

[BigDaveK]

I blame it on phase of the moon. Or which side of my mouth I am holding the chew on. (In other words, I got no clue what causes it, but it's there).

(The chew comment comes from working in the oil industry in Oklahoma in the early 80's seemed like almost all of the non-engineer folks used Skoal or some such type of what I called worm dirt and whenever anything didn't seem to be working quite as expected, the reason was they were holding the chew in the wrong side of their mouth. Nasty habit that I never picked up)

Oh, gosh. A looonnnnggg time ago I chewed to help me lose weight. It worked. Mostly Red Man in the pouch. It was 29 cents then. Man is that stuff addictive!!! First thing in the morning before the bathroom or anything else I'd be loading up. It IS a nasty habit! The spit stains concrete and kills grass...and I had that in my mouth!?!?!?!?! But it helped me lose weight.

 

[bstnh1]

Oh, gosh. A looonnnnggg time ago I chewed to help me lose weight. It worked. Mostly Red Man in the pouch. It was 29 cents then. Man is that stuff addictive!!! First thing in the morning before the bathroom or anything else I'd be loading up. It IS a nasty habit! The spit stains concrete and kills grass...and I had that in my mouth!?!?!?!?! But it helped me lose weight.

I knew a guy who chewed. The paint on the whole left side of his car peeled off from his spitting out the window while driving. Was not a pretty sight!

 

[FlamingoEmporium]

Oh, gosh. A looonnnnggg time ago I chewed to help me lose weight. It worked. Mostly Red Man in the pouch. It was 29 cents then. Man is that stuff addictive!!! First thing in the morning before the bathroom or anything else I'd be loading up. It IS a nasty habit! The spit stains concrete and kills grass...and I had that in my mouth!?!?!?!?! But it helped me lose weight.

oh boy, tobacco juice wine.

 

[winemaker81]

oh boy, tobacco juice wine.

Unfortunately I could not find a vomit emoji. Serious ick!!!

 

[FlamingoEmporium]

Swirls glass and inhales… this one has a strong hint of tobacco.

 

[cmason1957]

Swirls glass and inhales… this one has a strong hint of tobacco.

I certainly don't mind a hint of tobacco in my Cabernet Sauvignon at all.

 

[Scooter68]

Unfortunately I could not find a vomit emoji. Serious ick!!!

Like this?

 

[BigDaveK]

oh boy, tobacco juice wine.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

In case you missed it - NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

I got to the point where I could swallow a little of the juice with no affect. I had adventurous friends sample the chew and say it's not bad. I didn't tell them to spit because I thought it was obvious. And when I DID tell them to spit they ignored the advice. Every one violently coughed, gagged. The ones who threw up recovered the fastest.

I neglected to mention that if I forgot about a spittle container it would have multi color growth after just a couple days. Some microscopic critters loved the environment!

Nasty habit but I went from 320+ #'s to around 200. Yes, at the time I told people about the "Dave Diet" but didn't get any converts.

 

[David Violante]

I believe the length of time foam takes to dissipate has a correlation to the amount of protein in suspension. Increased protein increases surface tension of the fluid and the resulting foam lasts longer.

 

[winemaker81]

I got to the point where I could swallow a little of the juice with no affect.

A friend of mine would have chew on one side, snuff on the other, be smoking a cigar, and drinking beer. I tried chew once, and that was 2 times too many!

 

[BigDaveK]

A friend of mine would have chew on one side, snuff on the other, be smoking a cigar, and drinking beer. I tried chew once, and that was 2 times too many!

It's interesting how some people can do EVERYTHING that's supposed to be bad for you and thrive. Others shrivel if the wind blows the wrong way. Survival of the fittest, I guess.

 

[winemaker81]

It's interesting how some people can do EVERYTHING that's supposed to be bad for you and thrive. Others shrivel if the wind blows the wrong way. Survival of the fittest, I guess.

Conversely it can be called, "working towards a Darwin award".

 

[Neb Farmer]

So , has anybody tried making wine out of chew? And I mean NEW, unused chew. Sounds maybe a bit out there, but...maybe it's good.

 

[BigDaveK]

So , has anybody tried making wine out of chew? And I mean NEW, unused chew. Sounds maybe a bit out there, but...maybe it's good.

One of the brands I tried way back then was called Havana Blossom. It was essentially tobacco leaf, no flavoring. It wasn't unpleasant but definitely an acquired taste. The flavored chews? Who knows what they add.

A quick search for tobacco leaf chemical components shows malic, acetic, formic, citric and oxalic acids. Oxalic acid is in the parts of some garden plants and generally avoided - because it's nasty. There's a boatload of other chemicals. Wow, I had no idea!

As the primary flavor ingredient? I have reservations. (The phrase "batshitcrazy" comes to mind. ) HOWEVER, I wonder if it could be used as a subtle flavor addition, like a form of "oaking"?

It might work better with some kind of distilled spirit - ohmyGod it's amazing how the mind works. There IS a tobacco infused liquer! I think it's called perique? But we don't talk about that here.