Who uses Finings or Filters fresh grape wine?

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Who uses Finings or Filters for fresh grape wines?

  • Finings

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • Filter

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • nothing but time to clear

    Votes: 8 50.0%

  • Total voters
    16
I always wonder why people think filtering a wine is going to strip out flavors/aromas? Oh sure, maybe right after you filter there is a noticeable difference in taste, but after 24-48 hours that goes away. Flavor molecules are so much smaller than even the tightest of sterile filters (0.2 micron). Maybe it is an oxidation thing people fear and that might be reasonable, add sulfites before you filter.

I refer you to this article from someone far smarter than myself (Tim Vandergrift) http://www.timvandergrift.com/?p=225
 
I fine and filter (1 micron) whites (mostly kits). Sometimes I'll filter a red made from frozen must (5 micron). I don't fine reds.

I have a viognier and white merlot clearing right now. I didn't use bentonite and I did use kieselsol / chitosan. I'm researching a 0.5 micron filter for sterile filtering / polishing.

Cheers!
johann
This is a great idea!! Just need some sun... ️

Johann, 0.5 using a plate filter (Mini Jet or the like) is not really considered sterile so I assume you are referring only to polishing. To go sterile you will need to use a 0.045 absolute cylindrical filter. It has always been my understanding the only time sterile would be necessary is if you wanted to back sweeten and not use sorbate or to stop fermentation to retain residual sugar.
 
Johann, 0.5 using a plate filter (Mini Jet or the like) is not really considered sterile so I assume you are referring only to polishing. To go sterile you will need to use a 0.045 absolute cylindrical filter. It has always been my understanding the only time sterile would be necessary is if you wanted to back sweeten and not use sorbate or to stop fermentation to retain residual sugar.

Oh - 0.045 microns! That's way tighter than I thought. I'll have to look for that size but I use a whole house filter with the AIO. I've only used sorbate once and that wine is still clearing so I'll have to see how that one works out.

Do folks use a 0.045 micron filter on red wines to stop fermentation or backsweeten?

Thanks,
johann
 
Oh - 0.045 microns! That's way tighter than I thought. I'll have to look for that size but I use a whole house filter with the AIO. I've only used sorbate once and that wine is still clearing so I'll have to see how that one works out.

Do folks use a 0.045 micron filter on red wines to stop fermentation or backsweeten?

Thanks,
johann

I can't speak for everyone but I can only imagine most people don't sterile filter. Please remember if you want to go sterile the filter media has to be absolute and not nominal.
 
I did spin the wheel a bit this past spring, using a .45 micron plate filter to filter my strawberry wine before back sweetening. Only have a few bottles left, but no issues so far. Though .45 micron level is enough for sterile filtration, it's just not achievable with plate filters, which is why folks use the absolute cylindrical filter. I knew I was taking a chance, but it was mine to take.......
 
I use Sparkloid for fining in all wines and filter as needed. I hate sediments in the bottom or on side of bottles i find it embarrassing, but that's just me. If i was the only one drinking it i would'nt care but i gift a lot of wine to charity's to raise money at benefit's and give it to my customers at my work.
 
Oh - 0.045 microns! That's way tighter than I thought. I'll have to look for that size but I use a whole house filter with the AIO. I've only used sorbate once and that wine is still clearing so I'll have to see how that one works out.

Do folks use a 0.045 micron filter on red wines to stop fermentation or backsweeten?

Thanks,
johann
I don't believe you will want to purchase a 0.045 micron absolute for this kind of setup. And if you can, you probably won't want to sue to the cost. It goes up astronomically as the size it filters out goes down.
 
I did spin the wheel a bit this past spring, using a .45 micron plate filter to filter my strawberry wine before back sweetening. Only have a few bottles left, but no issues so far. Though .45 micron level is enough for sterile filtration, it's just not achievable with plate filters, which is why folks use the absolute cylindrical filter. I knew I was taking a chance, but it was mine to take.......

John, what filter system do you have? I can't seem to find .45 pads for any of the Buon Vino filters.
 
I refer you to this article from someone far smarter than myself (Tim Vandergrift) http://www.timvandergrift.com/?p=225
This article is interesting and informative. Point #5, which says to fine before filtering, matches my own experiences. Many moons ago I was part owner of a Buon Vino plate filter, and my first filtering experience was less than stellar. The wine wasn't clear and I went through 3 or 4 packages of coarse filters trying to filter 5 gallons of wine. Live-n-learn ....

I used the filter for a couple of years, then stopped. I compared filtered vs. non-filtered wines and didn't feel the filter was worth the hassle. Since then I only fine.

Kit wines? I use the bentonite pre-fermentation and chitosan/kieselsol post-fermentation. Last year's mead would not clear so purchased Super Kleer (I think that's the name) and it worked like a champ.

For fresh grapes I'm using bentonite post-fermentation. This year I stirred the wines -- not as vigorously as the kit instructions -- and discovered that even moderate stirring expels most of the CO2. Added bentonite and racked 2 weeks later. I'm not seeing any sediment in the carboys, so we'll see what another 3 months brings.

Why do I use bentonite? It promotes clarity and stability while having a low incidence of color and tannin removal.

This article provides a comparison of fining agents:

https://www.awri.com.au/industry_su...ces/frequently_asked_questions/fining_agents/
 
John, what filter system do you have? I can't seem to find .45 pads for any of the Buon Vino filters.

The "sterile" pads for the super jet are actually .5 microns, my apologies for mis-stating that earlier. The .5's are available lots of places, I think I got mine from EC Kraus. I was able to find the article I read before deciding to give it a shot with the strawberry. Below is a clip from Winemaker Magazine where a reader asked a question about sterile filtering before back sweetening, the answer is in quotes below:

"The short answer to your question is: 0.45 micron nominal filter pads are the industry standard for “sterile” filtration. These pads prevent all yeast and bacteria from getting through. So, if you want to be as certain as possible, it’s best to filter with a 0.45 micron nominal pad. This will ensure that you take out the maximum amount of unwanted material. The 0.5 micron filter sheet is a little bit “looser” than the 0.45 micron sheet and would most likely allow some microbes to pass through. If I was a winery with 50,000 gallons of 1% RS (residual sugar) Chardonnay that I wanted to bottle and put into the market, I would certainly make sure to final-filter with the tightest pads possible. Ruining thousands of customers’ opinions about your products due to one little yeast cell is a scary prospect.

However, as you might imagine, I’ve got a longer answer for you and you can choose what option best suits you. You’re a home winemaker with only 65 gallons of the 1% RS Chardonnay, not 50,000 gallons. I should explain a little bit about filter and filtration jargon for those of us that might not be familiar with words like “0.45 micron nominal filter.” Pad filters are stacks of cellulose sheets that get mounted in a stainless steel or metal frame. Wine or juice is forced by a pump or by air pressure through the cellulose pads and depending upon the “tightness” of the cellulose matrix and the back pressure on the system, a varying degree of particles will pass through. When we say “nominal” and list a measurement like “0.45 micron” we are talking about the size of a filter pad. This pad is designed to prevent particles larger than the specified size (e.g. 0.45 micron) to pass through. Not all filters available to home winemakers offer a true 0.45 micron nominal filter pad. Many only go as small as 0.5 micron nominal which is not truly a “sterile” filter. It is very close, but no cigar (as the saying goes). Bacteria, especially, because they are so much smaller than yeast cells, could get through filters with this porosity. Once they’re in, they can start munching on the sugar left in your wine and cause re-fermentation in the bottle. This is exactly what you’re trying to avoid. However – you might be willing to take the risk because in your case, I actually think that the 0.5 micron filter would cut out enough microbial life to render you a relatively stable product. If you are very careful in your sanitation, filtering and bottling processes, I’d say it’s an acceptable risk. Your wine fermented slowly, went through malolactic fermentation and is not fermenting now – so it’s pretty stable (microbially speaking). It’s also a white wine, which means that you probably would be consuming it within a year or two. Most importantly – you love the wine the way it is and don’t want to conduct a re-fermentation to decrease the residual sugar to a more stable level."
 
To date I only backen sweetened 2 wines. One was a peach in 2017 which I have 4 bottles left. The second was a 2019 Chilean Riesling with about 15 bottles still in my cellar. Both were filtered with a .5 and neither show any signs of refermenting. I did add a little sorbate but less then half the recommended amounts and a tad more SO2 then recommended. Until the system fails I think I'll just be content with the .5s.
 

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