Ok so I have made three kits all by WE 2 VR (cab & chard), and 1 blueberry pinot Island mist which is still in the hopper but smells really good, also have tasted some other WE like there pinotage ect...... I have some grapes on order at my local brew store to make a Cab Franc/merlot, which will be really fun, whole new learning curve there but the owner of the store is very patient and loves to help when needed. What I have noticed on the 2 VR is a kit smell/taste don't get me wrong they are drinkable, but I want to make one with less "kit taste/smell" I primarily like reds, but can stand a good dry white. I know certain people on here like mosti, and some cellar craft, I'm trying to find a trend on who is getting what from the novice to experienced, I figure if there is a commonality, you can't be wrong and its proven itself...by the way I like just about all reds, they are all good for different occasions. Thanks for you help all.