Other Tweeking Cheap Kits

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  1. Jan 8, 2019 #1601

    David Taylor

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    So this wine is aging in a 5 gallon carboy. It has been sitting for over a month and I added clarifier last night. I tasted it and my wife thought it was a bit sour/tart. Wondering if I should back sweeten or let it sit. I am in no rush. Thanks.
     
  2. Jan 8, 2019 #1602

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    With time, many of those newly made wine tastes begin to fade, mellow, meld together, and become harmonious. This isn't true if you have a fault in your wine, but if it's well made, give it some time to show you the love. As Joe has mentioned, kits made like this get ready much faster than their premium kit / grape wine counterparts, so if you are in no rush, then let it sit a bit.
     
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  3. Jan 10, 2019 #1603

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    Thanks John.
     
  4. Jan 10, 2019 #1604

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    I added the Fpac after topping the juice up to 5 gallons and my SG was 1.104. I did not need to add any simple syrup to get the SG up, does that sound correct?
     
  5. Jan 10, 2019 #1605

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    Am I reading that you added the entire contents of the fpac prior to fermentation? That may have been a not so good choice. Not knowing what you are making, but generally the fpac is what gives the lower end kits their final taste. I would certainly increase the volume up to 6 gallons with water to cut the alcohol back some.
     
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    Sorry, thought I had posted my information recently. I made a Fontana Merlot:

    Added juice and water to 5 gallons
    Fpac made with blackberries to the must
    1 cup oak chips
    1 tbsp tannin
    pitched RC212

    Currently have active fermentation.
     
  7. Jan 10, 2019 #1607

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    Here is an interesting watch about how to tweak an expensive kit:

    You can see some good information: such as skipping chemicals and reducing volume.
    In this guy's channel, you can also find a very good video about tweaking cheap kit as well. I found it quite helpful.
     
  8. Jan 12, 2019 #1608

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    Got almost 24 bottles of Fontana Malbec bottled today. Thanks Joe! IMG_2950.JPG
     
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  9. Jan 13, 2019 #1609

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    Bottled my Rose kit, got 29 bottles. I had put some Grapefruit and Lemon zest in along with 1 1/4 Tbsp of wine Tannin. Just tried it from the last bottle (some sediment from tipping) and shared it with Wife and Daughter, we all thought it wash very good. Should be outstanding after a few more months in the bottle. Will be just right for Summer.
     
  10. Jan 13, 2019 #1610

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    This is the best thread on tweaking cheap wine kits as well as on Google and the most viewed.
    The rest just copy.,.
     
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  11. Jan 14, 2019 #1611

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    Lots of really great tips and methods on this thread, very glad that I found it. I especially like the detail of how to go about tweaking, and the variety of the different wines being made. Thanks Joe
     
  12. Jan 14, 2019 #1612

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    Thanks ☺️
     
  13. Jan 15, 2019 #1613

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    Just put on my 1 gallon Chardonnay sparkling wine kit. Added 1/4 tsp of wine tannin and about 1/8 Grapefruit zest. Have 5 Champagne bottles ready. Have done one of these with no tweaking, but couldn’t resist the temptation to play with this one. I have also taken 1 gallon of my Rose kit that had some tweaking and am doing the in-bottle carbonation using 5 Champagne bottles. Will let you know how this turns out. The first batch should be ready for the first bottle to be opened shortly.
     
  14. Jan 15, 2019 #1614

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    Just got a Cru California Syrah with skins. Way more than I usually spend on a kit, nervous about doing a bad job. Not sure if I'm gonna tweak it down or not, I'll take SG reading around 5 gallons and see where I'm at.

    I've been kit winemaking for about 2 years now, and I'd kinda like to branch out a bit and take things up a notch. Is MLF something worth considering for kit wines, or do they pretty much have all that they need? Thanks.
     
  15. Jan 15, 2019 #1615

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    No, conventional wisdom is that you should never attempt MLF on a kit. One theory is that they use malic acid to balance the acid levels. Tim Vandergrift's oft-cited line is that any such attempt "will wind up in tears. :( "
     
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    That's correct, there are things that we can tweak and there are things that we cannot. Definitely not one.
    if you follow this thread from the beginning to the end you'll never see me once mention okay never
     
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    Ah, good to know. Also, what a relief; I didn't want to mess with MLF. :D
     
  18. Jan 16, 2019 at 7:06 PM #1618

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    Canada brings them in on mass at Costco....great value and left at the front door
    UPS two days . Double kit or 60 bottles..Argentina ridge kits come complete with labels and sleeves
     
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