Other Tweeking Cheap Kits

Discussion in 'Kit Winemaking' started by joeswine, Dec 11, 2015.

Wine Making Forum

Help Support Winemaking Talk by donating:

  1. Aug 6, 2016 #461

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    blueberry Shiraz

    follow the flow.......................

    11.jpg

    12.jpg

    13.jpg
     
  2. Aug 10, 2016 #462

    Mismost

    Mismost

    Mismost

    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2015
    Messages:
    940
    Likes Received:
    700
    Racked the Fontana Cab Sav. today and got a taste....early yet but I thought it was really nice. Debating adding some more oak, nice and soft now. Love these cheap kits....got two UMMM GOODS from the wife and neighbor lady.
     
  3. Aug 11, 2016 #463

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    Cheap kits

    Good to hear it , a touch more oak won't hurt ,really, we have had more good end products then bad, I believe Jdwebb had some problems I really don't know what happened there, Bauer had a fermentation problems SpikeLemon had a hot one, any other problems out there we can work on??

    1.jpg

    1 kit contents.jpg

    1 kit ingridients.jpg

    15 (2) - Copy.jpg
     
  4. Aug 11, 2016 #464

    jdwebb

    jdwebb

    jdwebb

    Junior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2015
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    20
    I have a Fontana Cab sitting here, wondering what tweaks I need to do to get a nice result. Any ideas?

    I think my other reds, Mezza Luna, Pinot Noir & Shiraz just need lots of time. Bulk aging the Shiraz and Mezza Luna in the carboy for about 6 months.
     
  5. Aug 11, 2016 #465

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    Cheap kits

    Reserve Du Chateau Kit (approx.. $55.00 off Amazon.com)


    Kate’s Chilean Cabernet Merlot

    This is an fairly inexpensive kit we purchased off Amazon. We used Amazon Prime and the shipping was free and arrived in 2 days! (Yes!)
    Contents of the kit: All the usual suspects
    Our tweaks:
    Oak cubes in the primary
    Homemade blackberry F-pak
    1 ball jar simple syrup (brought our SG up to 1.092 from 1.082)
    We will be adding powdered oak tannins to the secondary
    Please see the pictures below for the process.
    Starting date: January 28, 2015

    anyone else have success with this one???


    1.jpg

    6a.jpg

    7 boosted sg.jpg

    8 ph reading.jpg

    13.jpg

    15.jpg
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2016
  6. Aug 11, 2016 #466

    Rocky

    Rocky

    Rocky

    Chronologically Gifted Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    5,691
    Likes Received:
    1,659
    Interesting, Joe, putting oak cubes in primary. I have never done so and save the cubes for secondary and bulk aging. In primary, I normally use oak chips or powder. Do you feel you get enough extraction of oak in primary? Do you discard the cubes after primary? How many liters of juice are in that kit?
     
  7. Aug 11, 2016 #467

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    Cheap kits

    Good to hear from you Rocky are you still in the great wine contest??? Follow my thoughts if you will, I make a 3,5,and 6 gallon batches, so to me it's like making a good sauce, first I have a Base ,then I add the spices, or in other words the chardonnay is my base then add the oak ( the spice) to the base and let it cook or infuse in this case? I never use a sock of any kind I want full surface contact between my base and my oak or fruit (spices)..once the extraction is done= it's done ,there should be nothing left for the oak or fruit to give. Know different than a grape cap once it's done it's done and always full contact, SEE. At least that's how I do its in my Kitchen.

    22.jpg

    23 (2).jpg

    7.jpg

    8 yeast.jpg

    10 the mix.jpg
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2016
  8. Aug 12, 2016 #468

    Rocky

    Rocky

    Rocky

    Chronologically Gifted Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    5,691
    Likes Received:
    1,659
    Thanks, Joe. I use a strainer bag because I am lazy. I should try letting the skins and oak float and form a cap. By the way, that, along with stripping the grapes off their stems and pulling out leaves and other debris, were my first jobs in wine making back when I was about 10 years old! I have to chuckle when I see the fancy tools that people buy and sell for punching down the cap. We used a length of 2" x 4" to do it! Worked well and the board took on beautiful red hues from year to year. Looking back on it, it is a wonder we did not poison ourselves.

    Oh yes, I am in for the white wine contest. I am not sure what I will be entering buy I have the following going right now: NZ Chardonnay, California Chardonnay, Pinot Grigio and Sauvignon Blanc. I will have to have a mini-test here to decide. Looking forward to the details of the contest.
     
  9. Aug 21, 2016 #469

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    Cheap kits

    okay, how are you wine makers making out at this point,rocky good to see your in the contest mix,i talk to tom he has made a great deal of these kits and will chime in later. TONYT WERE ARE YOU MY FINE VINO FREIND????

    1.jpg

    1a.jpg

    3.jpg

    7.jpg

    8.jpg

    8a.jpg

    10.jpg

    11.jpg

    12.jpg
     
  10. Aug 21, 2016 #470

    Tom

    Tom

    Tom

    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2006
    Messages:
    11,356
    Likes Received:
    93
    ::

    Well joeswine the time here. I'v been away fighting my Cancer. Butt, I probablly used 25 of the "cheap wines". Well guess what my wife (taster) loved it. Now I just started 2. After putting in the base one needed to be bumpt up the other was spot on@ 5 gallons. Keep in mind I also make beer. Well alcohol is a no no so I drink less. I am taking a boatload of anti depression drugs. Listen to Joe he has alot to offer. Some dont make cents till you try it.
    If I die I will have a drink in my hands.
     
  11. Aug 23, 2016 #471

    Glenbo

    Glenbo

    Glenbo

    Junior

    Joined:
    May 29, 2016
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Add MLF to kit wine?

    Hello. If Sorbate is the only concern can I just do malolactic fermentation to a Chardonnay kit like to Fontana and never add the Sorbate? To normally do malolactic i buy Chardonnay juice from a winery but they are an hour drive away and Amazon delivers to my door. Yep I'm lazy. Plus the winery charges $50 and Fontana is a bit cheaper. Does anyone have any experience with Malo and kits or know where I can get info. Thanks so much for any help!
     
  12. Aug 23, 2016 #472

    thruhike00

    thruhike00

    thruhike00

    Junior Member WMT Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2015
    Messages:
    99
    Likes Received:
    32
    Not recommended to try malo on kits. There are lots of posts on the forum with reasons why to not try.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2016 #473

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    Cheap kits

    THESE KITS ARE UNTO THEMSELVES,IF YOU READ BACK ON THIS THREAD YOU'LL SEE..:h.. HOW ARE THE REST OF YOU COMING ALONG??:sh

    1 Box.jpg

    1.jpg

    2 kit box.jpg
     
  14. Aug 23, 2016 #474

    wineforfun

    wineforfun

    wineforfun

    Still Trying To Make The Perfect Wine and Now Tryi

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2012
    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    892
    @joeswine
    Trying to figure out which one to do next. Would really like to get a port of some sort.

    FYI
    My wife is flying through that Fontana Green Apple Reisling. She loves it. It tastes good but way too sweet for me.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2016 #475

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    wineforfun

    what was your ending abv.?? That's why i made fpac and was going to use just some of the flavor pack they provided.

    1 - Copy.jpg

    7.jpg

    19.jpg
     
  16. Aug 23, 2016 #476

    wineforfun

    wineforfun

    wineforfun

    Still Trying To Make The Perfect Wine and Now Tryi

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2012
    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    892
    Ending ABV was 11.6%. SG 1.018.
    Remember, I did the Fontana kit, not the Island Bliss like you.

    I added the whole fpac at the end. It is a very good tasting and well balanced wine. Just too sweet for me. My wife and her friends love it.
    I am more of a dry red wine drinker.
     
  17. Aug 24, 2016 #477

    Spikedlemon

    Spikedlemon

    Spikedlemon

    Junior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2016
    Messages:
    290
    Likes Received:
    57
    Brief update on the Merlots
    1. The first Merlot, with the raspberries and extra tannin, is starting to mellow now that it's a few months old. My dad still loves it but I'm no fan.
    2. The second Merlot is 'ageing'. This one was done on the lees & skins of the Amarone kit. I have degassed, clarified and stabilized it. I'll be checking for a sample later this weekend to see how it tastes compared to the other one and if there's any residual gas (before moving to bottling).

    My Cabernet Kits are sitting and waiting but I think, as I've ordered some crushed Baco grapes, that I'll be starting them on the skins of the Baco.

    I am thinking of getting a Syrah... and then start a second Cab on its lees. But I've not convinced myself of it yet (and risk tipping off the missus to the vast volumes of wine that would quickly fill the basement)
     
    heatherd and bakervinyard like this.
  18. Aug 24, 2016 #478

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    joeswine

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2007
    Messages:
    6,305
    Likes Received:
    982
    Cheap kits

    GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE BOTH OF YOU WHO ELSE IS MOVING ALONG WITH THESE KITS???:db
     
  19. Aug 25, 2016 #479

    Mismost

    Mismost

    Mismost

    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2015
    Messages:
    940
    Likes Received:
    700
    Spike...I think you will be amazed at how fast the "vast amount of wine" dwindles away. The other day I noticed a big hole in the wine rack I had just filled up and asked my wife about it. She had taken a case to the beauty shop where she works. She claims the afternoons are much more pleasant now and actually dug a list of wine types out of her purse and said "you need to make these too"! "Oh and do another one with the lady in the black hat on the label, it's all gone"...my Nebiollo...none made it past 8 months in the bottle!

    Make it and they will drink it.
     
  20. Aug 25, 2016 #480

    Spikedlemon

    Spikedlemon

    Spikedlemon

    Junior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2016
    Messages:
    290
    Likes Received:
    57
    Since responding to the thread (and it now coming to my mind as I had successfully 'forgotten' about my wine) I decided to open up and taste-test. Both my Merlot and Amarone still have that sour CO2 taste.

    The Merlot still tastes a little hot to me and I'm hoping a couple weeks will let it settle - else I'll rack and dilute it down with some water.
     

Share This Page