I m with you on the fruit and buying juice thing. My plum source swears he has more plums than I want, for free. But elder berries. OMG they are tiny and they are ripe when it's Soooo hot, i can find plenty wild but I'm planning on buying juice and sprucing it up with some fresh. I'm sure ill come up with a plan, call it a recipe if you like but it start in a bucket with a towel for a lid.