I have been making wine at home for about 3 years now, learning mostly by trial and error and some web surfing, never used a kit, and have made some very good and very bad wines lol. I joined this forum about a week ago, and I have learned more in this week just skimming the posts then I learned in the 4 years I did it the hard way. Just wanna say thank you all for sharing your knowledge and I am sure my family (wine test dummies) will be very grateful as well