hum, i'll try lighter, oxidation worried me, i picked up the habit reading on here for a long time, i either , added none, or just at bottling, for a few years i did not add any at anytime, and never had any trouble,, is it more of a problem with grapes, since i read on more grape threads since country wines we are so few,,,
i stir with a drill , in both agents,
i'm confused, are we now talking, co2 or finingings? not from you Val, but from the last 4 or 5 posts, lol
, and don't wish to have bad wine served, of course, i am onary, very onary, and will try to drink it up and leave a ,,BRING YOUR OWN SIGN 
,,,Dawg, why Durafine and not Sparkalloid?........................Dizzy
Thanks,cmason.......................seems like there is a differing of opinion being noted here on the forum: what's a youngster supposed to do? LOL....................Dizzy
KC, I thought the same thing after I pondered on it for awhile......................Dizzy
I’m not Dawg, but there is much discussion about it in the forum. @dangerdave did a side-by-side test some time ago. Generally, sparkaloid is cheaper, but harder to use, and many people find after it seems perfectly clear they get a very fine wispy sediment in their bottles. I think a lot has to do with what you are fermenting and how long you are willing to let it clear. Most people I’ve heard that have tried the kieselsol/chitosan combination (DualFine / SuperKleer / Claro K.C.) never go back. Including Danger Dave! His recipe calls for sparkaloid, but he wrote it before he tried SuperKleer.
I understand the best way is to measure the SO2 in your wine and calculate the proper dose. But over-doing it a bit doesn’t hurt, so most use a “rule-of-thumb.” I’ve seen 1/4 tsp every racking or second racking when bulk aging, and 1/2 tsp at bottling. Note that the 1/4 tsp when racking does not apply when racking during fermentation.
Yes you're right, I guess I was think more for regular grape wine. I think Dawg might, but you generally wouldn't likely be bulk-aging SP either, would you?
dang man, now that is a supply, nice, i got 3 kinds ready, will send them, will let you know when i do, and when i bottle i'll have a few more kinds i'll send then,,,
it was what i tried first, and never tried anything else. all my other wines i age from a year to 2 years, except my straight elderberry, which gets much longer, so nothing but my quick drinkers get finings, all the rest time and gravity takes care of. lol,,, so you like Sparkolloid better, i recon i need to check it out, i bought some bentonite once, sill have it some where, just never used it,
to me bulk aging SP, is 3 to 4 weeks, quick drinker,
KC, That's good to know. I think once I have finished my supply of Sparkalloid I will start using the Superkleer (just to be on the safe side). To date the Sparkalloid is clearing really well.....................Dizzy
I’m betting once you try it you won’t go back. Much easier to use, and the sediment seems more compact, so it doesn’t get pulled into the racking cane as easily so you don’t have to leave as much behind when you rack.
like KC i use super clear or dualfine, both the same just different brand names
yep i think on the potassium sorbate vs potassium metabisulfite, i had got it confused, with each other, i dug out my notes, of which i keep very few, now as for fining i only use finings on quick drinkers, i get a little of i as well as confuse my threads, most know i have a very shafted spine, and i take for my back but only when not drinking, i get for home use 4 mg of Hydromorphone, every six hours, but my life is great, every morning i thank the lord for every day, as for anyone worried by my meds and alcohol, i have hashed it all out with my doctors,,,
