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I am an addicted winemaker and wine drinker, as such, I read as much on the topics as possible. Much of my reading is academic, but I also enjoy just reading what others think about wine and wine topics. When I read the following article about "Natural" wines, I was intrigued by both sides of the equation and thought process. At any rate, we talk here a lot about SO2 management and practices, so I thought I'd share this piece by Matt Kramer of Wine Spectator.

Of particular note for me, the comments by winery owner Kevin Harvey, about 2/3 of the way down the page. I'm somewhere in his wheelhouse, do enough to my wine to make it as good as I can, but as little as possible.

Impeccable Radical Credentials

Matt Kramer
Issue: September 30, 2016

I was once on a long car trip with my wife and two visiting friends, one Australian, the other British. The conversation turned to politics. I forget now who we were talking about, but our British friend staked out a defense of the politician's policies that the rest of us considered preposterous.

She defended her side against our gleeful onslaughts and ended by declaring, "Well, he has impeccable radical credentials." With that we all convulsed in laughter, herself included.

I thought of this memorable phrase recently while drinking yet another so-called natural wine that I found, much as I have others, deeply disappointing.

Now, the term "natural wine" has become simultaneously a rallying cry for its proponents and a red flag to its detractors. Rarely do I straddle fences. But in this case I find myself truly torn.

Part of me is more than sympathetic to what adherents of natural wine seek, namely wines that have not been what they call "manipulated." That, too, is a word that's become a flash point.

Still, I get it. I daresay that few other writers have, over a long span of years, written more openly than I against the habitual use of such high-tech gizmos as spinning cones, vacuum concentrators and reverse osmosis machines.

So why, then, would I, of all people, have problems with so-called natural wines? It's surprisingly simple: Too many of these wines that I have both tasted and purchased are unclean. They have off smells and tastes. Far from elevating wine to new heights of ethereal purity, too often this very "naturalness" degrades that ambition.

It's challenging to craft a truly clean wine from crush to bottling unless you're rigorous in winery and winemaking cleanliness. Your barrels must be impeccably clean. You must be obsessive in cleaning winery surfaces and diligent in monitoring wines in barrel or cask. And you must employ pristine bottling protocols.

Is it doable? Certainly it is. But it's harder to achieve than you might imagine. Here's the kicker: Such effort is made even harder by what has become today's most powerful signifier of naturalness, which is a loudly proclaimed rejection of the use of sulfur.

Wines now are proudly sold to us as "no sulfur," meaning that no sulfur has been used in the winemaking process and, moreover, that none has been added just before bottling as a prophylactic against bacteria or yeasts in the finished wine.

Can such sulfur-free wines be truly superior? Yes, they can. But if my experience is anything to go by, such an achievement is rare. There's a reason why sulfur has been used for centuries: It works. Sulfur is an effective inhibitor of off flavors and smells, as well as an effective antioxidant.

Can you use too much of it? Yes, you can, which is why the "no sulfur" declaration has become such a rallying cry. It sounds good. It's intellectually appealing. It's attractively idealistic. The problem, as is often the case, is one of degree.

I asked Kevin Harvey, the owner and guiding spirit of Rhys Vineyards, which is "artisanal" by anybody's definition, about his use of sulfur. Many tasters (myself included) consider Rhys the source of some of California's finest Pinot Noirs and Chardonnays.

"I taste a lot of our wine without sulfur while it's in barrel," Harvey told me. "And I just don't see the big deal or positive difference of no sulfur as long as the sulfur dioxide is kept low.

For our part, we bottle with low SO2, around 20 [parts per million]. That's not much. The difference between that and zero is not that meaningful, except—and this is a big exception—for the very positive effects on stability offered by that dose of low sulfur."

So why is the rallying cry of "no sulfur" so strident? It's not enough anymore to pursue a vision of greater purity. Instead, that pursuit has become ideological. It becomes subject to a politicized litmus test. Like all such ideological causes everywhere, what previously sufficed as allegiance no longer serves an even more radicalized contingent.

This is what has occurred with natural wines. It is now not enough to actually taste your wines and conclude that they reflect the desired purity of expression. Instead, you must have impeccable radical credentials.

Matt Kramer has contributed to Wine Spectator regularly since 1985.
 
Thanks for the post! You might be interested in Clark Smith's "Postmodern Winemaking". He goes into the massive science that the craft has been using, and how to get past that and let the individuality of the terroir come through in the wine. It's pretty academic, and detailed in the various winemaking processes - so you would have to be into that.

I found the section on oxygenating wine particularly interesting. He is a proponent of the introduction of oxygen immediately after fermentation. He claims it is homeopathic - that the introduction of oxygen at this point increases the wine's antioxidative capability in the aging process. The problem is splashing is not adequate - he recommends diffusing the oxygen in.
 
@cgallamo , I think I have that book from a year or two back, but haven't perused it in a while, maybe I'll dig it back up this weekend and give it a second read. Hasn't it been out quite a few years (4 or 5) or am I confusing it with another, or is there a new edition?
 
@cgallamo , I think I have that book from a year or two back, but haven't perused it in a while, maybe I'll dig it back up this weekend and give it a second read. Hasn't it been out quite a few years (4 or 5) or am I confusing it with another, or is there a new edition?

Yes it is a 2014 release. I just got to it though ;)
 
Thanks for the post! You might be interested in Clark Smith's "Postmodern Winemaking". He goes into the massive science that the craft has been using, and how to get past that and let the individuality of the terroir come through in the wine. It's pretty academic, and detailed in the various winemaking processes - so you would have to be into that.

I found the section on oxygenating wine particularly interesting. He is a proponent of the introduction of oxygen immediately after fermentation. He claims it is homeopathic - that the introduction of oxygen at this point increases the wine's antioxidative capability in the aging process. The problem is splashing is not adequate - he recommends diffusing the oxygen in.

A great thread topic, thanks for sharing the article.

I'm off to find Clark Smith's book. I just finished another read of Jackson's Wine Science. He too has a section on oxygen diffusion after fermentation.

Try Biodynamic, Organic and Natural Winemaking for an evenings read. Sometimes interesting, sometimes infuriating, and sometimes a real head scratcher. The part on laws and regulations and definitions really made me wonder.:ft
 
I read Clark's book, and it is very good, quite technical, and will turn everything you think you know about winemaking upside down.
 
I read Clark's book, and it is very good, quite technical, and will turn everything you think you know about winemaking upside down.

And make you wish you had paid a lot more attention in chemistry.
 
And make you wish you had paid a lot more attention in chemistry.

This made me chuckle!! Of all of the classes I took to get my BS (yes, I know what it stands for) statics, thermodynamics, the only institutional knowledge I use on a regular basis is chemistry, and not for my profession, for my hobby. It seems to me now, that it was worth the effort--for the wine, of course....
 
This made me chuckle!! Of all of the classes I took to get my BS (yes, I know what it stands for) statics, thermodynamics, the only institutional knowledge I use on a regular basis is chemistry, and not for my profession, for my hobby. It seems to me now, that it was worth the effort--for the wine, of course....

I took those same classes BSEE. I just wish I hadn't been quite so hungover, quite so often in Chemistry Class. Who schedules required classes at 740 in the morning. Mass lecture.
 
@Johnd there is also the allergy factor. People out there cant have sulfites. Thats a reason to go natural. I know thats the reason for me. I can handle a glass or two of commercial wine, but if I'm making my own, I want to be making wine that I can drink as much as I want out of it. Then again, I'm not such a connoisseur, so I might not be able to tell the difference.
Another factor is that to be honest I can afford to buy wine in the store, I make wine because Its sort of a passion for me. Therefore, I'm not trying to make a wine that's worth $100, Im trying to "make wine". Besides, part of the fun and passion is the experimentation. If all I do is follow directions from a kit or whatever, then how would my wine be different and unique from yours?
 
@Johnd there is also the allergy factor. People out there cant have sulfites. Thats a reason to go natural. I know thats the reason for me. I can handle a glass or two of commercial wine, but if I'm making my own, I want to be making wine that I can drink as much as I want out of it. Then again, I'm not such a connoisseur, so I might not be able to tell the difference.
Another factor is that to be honest I can afford to buy wine in the store, I make wine because Its sort of a passion for me. Therefore, I'm not trying to make a wine that's worth $100, Im trying to "make wine". Besides, part of the fun and passion is the experimentation. If all I do is follow directions from a kit or whatever, then how would my wine be different and unique from yours?

Not to belabor the point, but I doubt seriously any two winemakers make the exact same wine, even from a kit. Variation is the spice of life there. Different sized fermenters, different stirring practices, different racking decisions, different aging, oaking schedules, racking practices, bottling practices, etc.. I believe that all of these variables can have impact on the finished wine, albeit small perhaps, but certainly unique. Not to mention, that once most folks get through a few kits, they adapt their own stylistic modifications, tannins, yeast changes, the list is long. Just food for thought............
 
Thanks for the post! You might be interested in Clark Smith's "Postmodern Winemaking". He goes into the massive science that the craft has been using, and how to get past that and let the individuality of the terroir come through in the wine. It's pretty academic, and detailed in the various winemaking processes - so you would have to be into that.

I found the section on oxygenating wine particularly interesting. He is a proponent of the introduction of oxygen immediately after fermentation. He claims it is homeopathic - that the introduction of oxygen at this point increases the wine's antioxidative capability in the aging process. The problem is splashing is not adequate - he recommends diffusing the oxygen in.
Lost me at homeopathy, what a crock
 
Mennyg said,
Another factor is that to be honest I can afford to buy wine in the store, I make wine because Its sort of a passion for me. Therefore, I'm not trying to make a wine that's worth $100, Im trying to "make wine". Besides, part of the fun and passion is the experimentation. If all I do is follow directions from a kit or whatever, then how would my wine be different and unique from yours?
I'm with Mennyg on that, except that I also buy wines.
I don't like terms like ' Natural wine and Manipulated'. I use SO2 . Does that make my wine unnatural? FFS! Every time I rack my wine, or bottle it etc. I'm manipulating it! In that case, I've been making unnatural manipulated wines for the past sixty years.
After that bit of a rant, I'll have to have a glass (or two) of unnatural manipulated wiine to soothe my ancient nerves.

PS. I did have a bottle of Natural wine recently. It was very good, but I don't think it was because it was Natural? I don't it was because it hadn't been Manipulated? It was just good wine made from good grapes. What more could I want?😇😀🤣
 

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