My plan for 2017 wine from California grapes

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  1. cmason1957

    cmason1957 Member Supporting Member

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    You got the reference, at least as far as this old fart knows it. And I do class myself as old, since I saw Star Wars in the theater during its first run at the box office.
     
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    Ajmassa5983 Member Supporting Member

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    Gotchya. Thought it was something specific. Well- regardless, I respect your confident stance on sequential inoculation. Can’t argue with results. And I see how it can be viewed as comforting to not “rush it” and letting the wine naturally come into its own.
    But if you ever did come to the dark side just know we DO have cookies. And we have complete chromatography tests. And also an ‘express lane’ for MLF.
    Before my 1st time I researched he hell out of it. Tons of studies and none suggest co-inoc has any negative effects.
    No longer viewed as risky, just a preference now. And just like you, I’ll continue with what’s worked for me. 7 for 7 with co-innoc and all went quick. (x4)VP-41 and (x3) Enoferm Alpha.
     
  3. baron4406

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    Just did a side by side with CH-16, one was co-inoculation, one was standard. The co-inoculation batch finished faster! I've now come to the dark side of the Schwartz.
     
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    Ajmassa5983 Member Supporting Member

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    Quicker is good! But too fast might be Ludacris. IMG_4152.jpg
     
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    Ajmassa5983 Member Supporting Member

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    Am I reading this correctly, and you are going to inoculate for a 4th time?
    I suppose i would too. And would just get enough bacteria this September for last year’s as well as the new stuff. Is that the plan? Think we need to get you your own MLF test kit for Christmas this year too.
     
  6. ceeaton

    ceeaton Three is the charm, right?

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    I don't mind testing his too since I'm usually working a batch the same time he is and there is plenty of room on those sheets. Hopefully I get my Cab that finished MLF racked and can give him some slurry from it. I believe last time he had some issues the slurry put him "over the top" and MLF completed. Next time he'll have to co-inoculate if he uses BM4x4, since it isn't post-ferment MLB friendly according to Lallmand's site.

    Fermentation Speed
    Moderate

    MLF Compatibility
    Not really recommended


    Nitrogen Needs
    High

    Alcohol Tolerance
    15 %

    Volatile Acidity
    Moderate

    SO₂ Production
    Moderate

    Max. Temperature
    28 °C

    Min. Temperature
    16 °C

    H₂S 170ppm
    Low

    H₂S 60ppm
    Moderate

    Suitability for co-Inoculation
    Very recommended

    Acetaldehyde Production
    High
     
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  7. jgmann67

    jgmann67 Rennaisance Man

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    Yep. I’m probably done with the BM4X4 with my fresh grapes.

    I should get my own chromo kit... someday.

    I figure 3 tries begs a 4th.
     
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    @ceeaton and @jgmann67 after I co-inoculated my pinotage grapes with BM4x4 and vp41 I read about BM4x4 not be the best choice for MLF. I worried but both finished without issue. Did chroma and MLF was complete. Taste is good.

    Was going with a similar formula in my australian buckets, but now I'm second guessing the BM4x4.
     
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    I’ve been using BM 4x4 on all my grapes, co inoculated VP-41, all have completed a few weeks after AF.
     
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    jgmann67 Rennaisance Man

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    I think you’re fine to coinoculate. It’s only when you do side by side that you may have difficulties. Honestly, I could just be doing something wrong that causes me to run into successive MLF fails.

    I didn’t see that part in the BM4X4 directions when I selected my yeast though.
     
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  11. Boatboy24

    Boatboy24 No longer a newbie, but still clueless.

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    I've used BM4X4 both ways and only had an issue once. That was on a 2016 Chilean and all 4 of the wines I did that spring were unsuccessful with MLF. Only one of them was BM4X4.
     
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    jgmann67 Rennaisance Man

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    Spent a week in Georgia, and stopped off on my way home last night to pick up a beer bottle of MLB sludge from Craig. Added some to each of the three amigos and gave them a good stir. Plenty of nutrient already there. So, now I gotta pack for a work trip to Kentucky. I hope to come home to something active.
     
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