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This is mainly directed to those 'down under'. Read with interest Wades/Allies/Lucs posts - and acknowledge this/these flowers/fruits create heaps of interest on this forum and others. I'm aware there is a cordial of elder available in specialty shops here. Any NZ posters able to advise...

I've been reading on various forums (fora?) use of these ingredients, never together, as a means of 'smoothing' and increasing mouth feel - 'thickening' in wines. Each seems to have the same effect as the other - I'm confused and I suspect some of the posters have been too. Can anyone clarify...