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That lallemand article was great. They claim equivalet or less VA production from co-innoculation, so I'm going to stick to co-innoculation...

'Goes' as in starts (takes-off)? 'Goes' as in 'goes in' (meaning you innoculate after racking off of gross lees)?

Lloking forward to your results!

Thanks for that link - I'd not seen that before. The primary benefit of co-innoculation is to get the bacteria well-established while the environment is especially inviting (low alcohol). So MLF is supposed to finish much more quickly and reliably. The benefits of post-press innoculation...

That's the conventional wisdom... So you innoculate into primary at 1.000 before you press? Do you rack off of gross lees?

You mean you noticed more VA when innoculating at the end of AF? The only downside I've been able to identify against co-innoculation is the potential for VA - if that's not a problem any of us home winemakers typically run into, it's much easier process-wise to co-innoculate. Anyone...

Upon thevadvise of my local wineshop, I coinnoculated last year (MLF innoculation 24h after pitching yeast) and everything worked out well. Gearing up for this season, I've been doing more research on MLF and it seems most references recommend innoculating at the end of alcoholic fermentation...

And then there is this: https://morewinemaking.com/articles/Choosing_a_press "Keep in mind that when you're pressing must it will be between 30% and 35% solids. As you fill the press most of the liquid will flow right through and out referred to as free run wine/juice. So the volume of the...

Yeah, if you compare the two pics, the pomace 'roof' in place when the top was removed caved in when the basket and/or mesh bag was removed. Breaking up the pomace tube by hand must make a much bigger mess than that. You don't need to convince me a tilting press would be easier than emptying...

Just be clear, that pic was snapped after the mesh bag was removed. I'm not sure if the mesh comes off with the basket or stays with the pomace tube when the basket is lifted off, and gets peeled off in a second step, but use of a mesh bag is apparently critical to leaving the basket in an...

For whatever reason, 'the system' is not allowing me to add the pic to my original post - here it is:

This is a picture of the pomace tube remaining after hard-pressing must from 300 lbs of grapes which filled a Speidel 90-liter bladder press. Basket has been removed, mesh has been removed, and the pomace tube is cleaned by breaking it up by hand (pic and cleaning methodology courtesy of my...

From your earlier posts, sounds like you pretty easily and quickly empty your tilting 80-liter bladder press solo (using the mesh bag ;)). With a helper or two (with strong backs ;)), sounds like an 80 or 90 liter bladder press can be emptied by lifting the basket off of the bladder, but the...

I found the breakdown presented in the FAO document to be far more detailed and consistent with my own experience than the numbers from Virginia Tech. It matters alot what is being included and what is not. If you add up the FAO numbers for 'stems', 'seeds', 'yeast & lees' and 'pomace' for a...

Yeah,that's the way to do it - easy-peazy ;) Pity Lancman's competition has not yet lined up distribution in the US - they seem well designed (and less expensive, at least based on European pricing). The half-baskets on my #50 ratchet press are pretty hefty as well, but lifting up to...

I have not been able to find any good videos showing the Lanceman 80L tilting hydropress being emptied, but did find this video of an 80L tilting press from one of their competitors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnd5NgZa4Ew (emptying starts at 1:20). Also, in terms of the weight being...

Thanks for the additional detail - this helps me to see where I've been off in my estimates. For red wine, alcohol is lighter than sugar, so the weight of the escaping CO2 also needs to be taken into account. Also, if the virgina tech estimate is 5% of weight for stems, that's good enough for...

Yeah, that pommace 'tube' is only about 1" thick, so of course if weighs very little. With a 90 liter press and filled to the brim so that the pommace 'tube' is close to the entire volume beyond the relaxed bladder, it would probably be a different story... Where are you coming up with that...

Thanks for the link. Can the 90 liter be clraned as easily iby one person as the 40 liter cleaned in that video? Lancman makes a non-tilting 80-liter model for $1450 delivered: https://pleasanthillgrain.com/stainless-hydropress-fruit-apple-wine-grape That's about the same price as the 90...

John, thanks for this very comprehensive and interesting post. If Washington State was a bit closer to the Bay Area, I would love to come by to see your press ;) Sounds as though you are pretty happy with it. We're probably going to be going with an 80-L as well, used almost exclusively for...