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    MLF - coinocculation versus post-AF innoculation

    That lallemand article was great. They claim equivalet or less VA production from co-innoculation, so I'm going to stick to co-innoculation...
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    MLF - coinocculation versus post-AF innoculation

    'Goes' as in starts (takes-off)? 'Goes' as in 'goes in' (meaning you innoculate after racking off of gross lees)?
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    MLF - coinocculation versus post-AF innoculation

    Lloking forward to your results!
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    MLF - coinocculation versus post-AF innoculation

    Thanks for that link - I'd not seen that before. The primary benefit of co-innoculation is to get the bacteria well-established while the environment is especially inviting (low alcohol). So MLF is supposed to finish much more quickly and reliably. The benefits of post-press innoculation...
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    MLF - coinocculation versus post-AF innoculation

    That's the conventional wisdom... So you innoculate into primary at 1.000 before you press? Do you rack off of gross lees?
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    MLF - coinocculation versus post-AF innoculation

    You mean you noticed more VA when innoculating at the end of AF? The only downside I've been able to identify against co-innoculation is the potential for VA - if that's not a problem any of us home winemakers typically run into, it's much easier process-wise to co-innoculate. Anyone...
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    MLF - coinocculation versus post-AF innoculation

    Upon thevadvise of my local wineshop, I coinnoculated last year (MLF innoculation 24h after pitching yeast) and everything worked out well. Gearing up for this season, I've been doing more research on MLF and it seems most references recommend innoculating at the end of alcoholic fermentation...
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    And then there is this: https://morewinemaking.com/articles/Choosing_a_press "Keep in mind that when you're pressing must it will be between 30% and 35% solids. As you fill the press most of the liquid will flow right through and out referred to as free run wine/juice. So the volume of the...
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    Yeah, if you compare the two pics, the pomace 'roof' in place when the top was removed caved in when the basket and/or mesh bag was removed. Breaking up the pomace tube by hand must make a much bigger mess than that. You don't need to convince me a tilting press would be easier than emptying...
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    Just be clear, that pic was snapped after the mesh bag was removed. I'm not sure if the mesh comes off with the basket or stays with the pomace tube when the basket is lifted off, and gets peeled off in a second step, but use of a mesh bag is apparently critical to leaving the basket in an...
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    For whatever reason, 'the system' is not allowing me to add the pic to my original post - here it is:
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    This is a picture of the pomace tube remaining after hard-pressing must from 300 lbs of grapes which filled a Speidel 90-liter bladder press. Basket has been removed, mesh has been removed, and the pomace tube is cleaned by breaking it up by hand (pic and cleaning methodology courtesy of my...
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    From your earlier posts, sounds like you pretty easily and quickly empty your tilting 80-liter bladder press solo (using the mesh bag ;)). With a helper or two (with strong backs ;)), sounds like an 80 or 90 liter bladder press can be emptied by lifting the basket off of the bladder, but the...
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    I found the breakdown presented in the FAO document to be far more detailed and consistent with my own experience than the numbers from Virginia Tech. It matters alot what is being included and what is not. If you add up the FAO numbers for 'stems', 'seeds', 'yeast & lees' and 'pomace' for a...
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    Bladder press versus basket press

    Yeah,that's the way to do it - easy-peazy ;) Pity Lancman's competition has not yet lined up distribution in the US - they seem well designed (and less expensive, at least based on European pricing). The half-baskets on my #50 ratchet press are pretty hefty as well, but lifting up to...
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