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Old 08-20-2013, 08:54 AM   #1
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I've seen pictures of wine cellars with tables and chairs and other things in them. I figure these people must have large cooling units to be able to keep up but my question is, Isn't it a bit cold in there to be able to enjoy company? Or are these rooms generally kept at higher temperatures?
I ask because I have a study I would like to make into a wine cellar but also be able to have space for a small barrel table and a couple of chairs so my wife and I can have dinner and enjoy our wine in a restaurant style atmosphere. Am I just better off walling off a portion of the room for a small wine cellar? The room is about 11 x 12ft

 
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:34 AM   #2
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11 x 12 is a good size...you could always put a small walk in cooler on one side are in a corner..something like 4=0 wide and 8.0 tall...most come with there on cooling units...then you would have space for table/chairs, etc.

 
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:50 AM   #3
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You need to leave enough room for an Italian violinist, maybe a mandolin player.

 
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:36 PM   #4
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Broge5, we are in the slow process of doing exactly what you want to do. Our room is the 4th bedroom, 10X14. We have the work table, chair, 12 carboys, 10 one gallon jugs, and almost 550 bottles of wine. Just ordered a 6K btu AC unit to chill the room down from 76* to say 68*, cool enough for store age, not too cold to work in or enjoy a glass or two. Not sure about Dinner though. Next project is a wood/laminate floor, then assemble the 4 Seville wine racks that are still in boxes. After that a sink, new work center etc. etc. slow & steady, just like making wine !! Roy PS couldn't afford the REAL wine room conditioners, or the space for say 800 bottles in a separate area in the room.

 
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:21 PM   #5
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Olusteebus, My six-year-old daughter plays the violin. She takes up less space than a full-size violinist plus she's a lot cheaper!

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Old 08-20-2013, 06:27 PM   #6
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FTC Wines, I'm so glad to hear you say that you using an AC unit. That's exactly what I plan to do. I would like to do the whole room that way but one of my walls is an exterior wall to get sun all day long. It also has two large windows. I'm afraid it would be a real bear to insulate. But your idea of keeping temperatures around 68 definitely opens up some possibilities. I've been thinking 55 to 60. What AC unit did you decide to go with? I've been looking at the same size. However, if I do the whole room, I probably need to go a little bit larger due to 12 foot ceilings.

 
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:55 AM   #7
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My wine room has 9'4"" ceilings & has an east facing wall with a large window. I covered the window with a piece of 1" foam on the inside then lowered the wood blinds, keeps out heat & light. AC is another saga! You can read the Thread "Winery AC gone bad" the short version is I purchased & installed a vertical portable LG AC unit, found out the fan runs 24/7 & discharges conditioned air to the outside 24/7!!! Next purchased a Fridgeire unit & rigged in the doorway, it also runs 24/7 & discharges air to the outside. Now with both returned I ordered a GE unit after 6 emails to GE customer service, they were VERY helpful & got ALL the answers I needed. In Energy Saver Mode it will not run 24/7, & it will not discharge conditioned air to the out side. Unit $147, Wallmart, free shipping to my door arrives tomorrow. I WILL be setting it up in the doorway & checking it out before I put a hole in the wall! I'll keep you posted. Roy

 
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:02 AM   #8
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I have mostly been reading up on reviews on the quietest units and of course reliability and efficiency. I did see some that have energy saving mode to not run fan 24/7. But, I never figured any of them discharge interior cool air outside!!! Hope this GE works for you.
You may have seen this already, but some of the helpful things I've seen were little capacitors to trick the thermostat to thinking it needs to be on because the units only go down so low in temp settings, and the other was a temp controlled power switch. The ac unit plugs into the switch which turns the power on and off at correct temp. This solves the 24/7 issue.
I look forward to hearing that the little GE unit is perfect! Good luck.

 
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:09 AM   #9
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I can not understand why people do not use mini splits instead of the old fashioned expensive window units.

They leak water, exhaust hot air ,the fans break,thermostat hardly work and
none of them are made well.

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Old 08-23-2013, 01:48 PM   #10
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For me, it's a matter of cost. I've got a pretty good expense already in trying to set up this wine room and fill it. From what I understand the less expensive Specialty units are at least $1000 and Extremely unreliable and finicky. From what I've seen the mini split units start at about $800-$900 minimum. Then I have to get an AC specialist to come install for me. I don't see getting out of that for less than $1000. A simple wall unit however has great reviews for reliability. As well as only $100-$250 in cost, And I can install it myself. I can buy one of these every two to four years if I have to And fit it in the same slot. This is what I'm basing my decision on.

 
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