I on the other hand have found a capability in using powdered oak or chestnuts as a tannin agent,there accent is quick to assimilate in to the wine ,I can control the taste and that to me is the most important factor in processing the product,you can start off lite and add as required,at least thats my why......

......I can do this throughtout ,fist ,second and thrird handingly ,but not before finding and bottleing.......