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Old 11-10-2010, 08:08 AM   #11
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What I am saying is that if you plant seeds from Noble grapes, you will not get Noble vines to grow. Even if the vine pollinated itself, the seeds will not be true to type. The only way to get the same variety is by propagation from pieces of itself which can be very hard with some varieties.

Julie is talking about grafting, not cross breeding. She just wants to grow some vines from seeds and then graft onto Concord. Even for her it would be best to get some scion wood from the vines she likes and then graft them on. There is no way of knowing what the seeds are she got.

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Old 11-10-2010, 10:14 AM   #12
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Okay so I think my mind just exploded. Again, please excuse my ignorance.

You plant a seed that you took from a noble grape, but you wont get a noble vine from that seedling? You get a muscadine vine, but maybe not noble?

Did I completely miss what you said?

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What Grapeman is trying to say is that if you want a true Noble grape vine then you need to take a cutting from that vine and not use the grape seeds because the seeds have been pollinated with wild pollen which will produce a new type of off spring not a true Noble grape vine

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Old 11-10-2010, 11:58 AM   #14
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Noble grapes are a variety of grapes not a species. Seeds from Noble grapes do not contain the identical genes as the Noble vine. All Noble grapes are basically clones of the one original vine. The seeds from them are a combination of the female vine (the one the seeds came from-Noble) and the male parent- just like any other living thing. Therefore the seeds are not going to grow into a vine like the Noble parent. Do you look identical to either one of your parents? Probably similar, but not alike.

jtstar sums it up well.

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Here is some more information on the propagation of muscadine vines.

Propagation

In the wild, muscadine grapes are propagated sexually from seed and asexually by a natural tendency of shoots that make contact with the ground to form roots. Muscadine grapes are very easy to propagate asexually. Asexual propagation produces a plant that is genetically identical to the mother plant. Propagation from seed will produce plants that vary genetically and that are not true to type. The most common propagation method is to make 2- to 3-node-long cuttings from shoots 1/4 to 3/8 inches in diameter in June or July. Simply insert the basal end of the cutting in a light textured soil or potting media. Keep the roots and leaves moist until roots have formed (usually about 2 weeks). A mist bed can be inexpensively constructed for this purpose. The buds in the leaf axils will break and form shoots shortly thereafter. Dipping the basal ends of the cuttings in Rootone® or other formulations of napthelene acetic acid can enhance rooting percentages, but is not required.
Another method to asexually propagate muscadine grapes is called pegging. To use this method, wound a low growing shoot by making successive cuts in the bark and then cover it with moist soil. Leave the shoot tip exposed. After about a month, roots should have formed, and the shoot may be severed from the mother vine. Pegging can be done in the summer months and is most useful to propagate a few vines. For mass propagation, stem cuttings are preferable. Virtually hundreds of cuttings can be rooted from a single mother vine.

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Excellent! I think I now understand. Thank you all for your patience as I learn all this.

As I understand it now, I can plant a seed and probably get a noble Muscadine vine, but it won't be an exact match to the parent vine. That's okay with me. As long as it taste good, has juice for wine and produces remotely close to what the parent vines are doing, I think I'll be happy.

Again, thanks for everyone’s explanation.

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from my understanding if you want noble grapes you'll need to get a cutting from the vine and go from there, at least thats what Gwen has found out as like he said with the seed there's no telling what muscadine you'll get to grow

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Was Bamby eating muscadines when you shot him yesterday? LOL!!!

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Very interesting. My day is complete as I have learned something new.

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Was Bamby eating muscadines when you shot him yesterday? LOL!!!
nope he was taking a stroll along the creek here at the house
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